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An Opinion on this Seamaster 300

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Here is a chart from omegaseamaster300.com with estimates for head-only examples:
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To me, £5K seems pretty fair for this example - while the bezel has some wear on it and @ConElPueblo notes some polishing on the case, it still looks like a "correct" example with the right bezel, correct hands, no relume, and an extract of the archives. The seller properly notes in the description the crown is a service replacement, but that doesn't bother me.

Is that chart based on general market observation or is it on dealer sales/private sales/auction results? Also, the "up to £5-7K" is worth noting. To me that signifies that in order to reach that amount some other factors such as the right buyer on the right platform for the watch need to be present.

We can debate endlessly on what constitutes "poor/good/excellent condition", but to me the dial on this particular one is lovely, the hands good, but case is worn and polished and the bezel is not only cracked it has also been damaged by moisture. The marks on the case back aren't good either.

To me it seems like one of those cases where a dealer - or a private enthusiast for that matter - could match it with a similar watch with a good case and bezel, but poor dial/hands and swap the parts to make one GREAT watch and one poor watch instead of having two mediocre examples.

That said - if the seller (Mr. Brewer?) is indeed well versed in Seamaster 300s as @mr_yossarian says it is most likely priced well and will be sold soon. Probably not to a hardcore collector, but to someone less picky.

Good advert, btw. Apart from showing the watch on a bracelet that doesn't come with the watch, it is free of the usual rubbish. I am sure whoever buys it will be happy 😀
 
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Is that chart based on general market observation or is it on dealer sales/private sales/auction results? Also, the "up to £5-7K" is worth noting. To me that signifies that in order to reach that amount some other factors such as the right buyer on the right platform for the watch need to be present.

We can debate endlessly on what constitutes "poor/good/excellent condition", but to me the dial on this particular one is lovely, the hands good, but case is worn and polished and the bezel is not only cracked it has also been damaged by moisture. The marks on the case back aren't good either.

To me it seems like one of those cases where a dealer - or a private enthusiast for that matter - could match it with a similar watch with a good case and bezel, but poor dial/hands and swap the parts to make one GREAT watch and one poor watch instead of having two mediocre examples.

That said - if the seller (Mr. Brewer?) is indeed well versed in Seamaster 300s as @mr_yossarian says it is most likely priced well and will be sold soon. Probably not to a hardcore collector, but to someone less picky.

Good advert, btw. Apart from showing the watch on a bracelet that doesn't come with the watch, it is free of the usual rubbish. I am sure whoever buys it will be happy 😀

Unfortunately the website does not explain in detail how the author came to these price estimates. I have been tracking 165.024s for maybe 6-9 months at this point as I would eventually like to purchase one, and those estimates seem to be more relevant for private sales / collectors and underestimate what dealers list pieces for. For instance, just to cite one data point, Analog/Shift, which I generally think of as the most aggressive (read: crazy) pricing, currently has one with hands that do not match the dial at all for $12,750 (https://shop.analogshift.com/products/omega-seamaster-300-as03449?_pos=1&_sid=9f7436907&_ss=r). It has the correct box and bracelet, but I can't believe those hands came with that watch.

Just one other data point, I was negotiating with a seller on eBay a few weeks back for a 165.024 and we were settling on a price of $5,400 when someone likely saw my thread and offered full price - $6,500 (https://omegaforums.net/threads/help-with-a-seamaster-300-165-024.112784/#post-1493808). In comparing these two watches, I actually prefer the one currently listed on eBay - both have lovely dials, and the case on this one is actually stronger than that previous example.
 
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Here is a chart from omegaseamaster300.com with estimates for head-only examples:
SM300.JPG

To me, £5K seems pretty fair for this example - while the bezel has some wear on it and @ConElPueblo notes some polishing on the case, it still looks like a "correct" example with the right bezel, correct hands, no relume, and an extract of the archives. The seller properly notes in the description the crown is a service replacement, but that doesn't bother me.
Do bear in mind that the author of that admittedly comprehensive website, t_solo_t was formerly a contributor here and was banned. I am not familiar with the circumstances, there were a lot of nasty arguments I seem to recall, but it may mean you should take some of the info there with a pinch of salt. With any website offering price data for instance, it should be considered that the owner may have a vested interest in pumping values of a model (or indeed trashing them) depending on his own agenda. If the pricing is based on real sales data (like SP101) then it is likely to be reliable but here?
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ConElPueblo ConElPueblo
Is that chart based on general market observation or is it on dealer sales/private sales/auction results? Also, the "up to £5-7K" is worth noting. To me that signifies that in order to reach that amount some other factors such as the right buyer on the right platform for the watch need to be present.

We can debate endlessly on what constitutes "poor/good/excellent condition", but to me the dial on this particular one is lovely, the hands good, but case is worn and polished and the bezel is not only cracked it has also been damaged by moisture. The marks on the case back aren't good either.

To me it seems like one of those cases where a dealer - or a private enthusiast for that matter - could match it with a similar watch with a good case and bezel, but poor dial/hands and swap the parts to make one GREAT watch and one poor watch instead of having two mediocre examples.

That said - if the seller (Mr. Brewer?) is indeed well versed in Seamaster 300s as @mr_yossarian says it is most likely priced well and will be sold soon. Probably not to a hardcore collector, but to someone less picky.

Good advert, btw. Apart from showing the watch on a bracelet that doesn't come with the watch, it is free of the usual rubbish. I am sure whoever buys it will be happy 😀

When did you get so flameish during the lockdown 😀? I've seen you more enthusiastic and fair about less "attractive" pieces. And besides your speculations, we got your point now. There are far more watches for sale here that deserve a punting, hope I'll see your engagement there too.
 
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When did you get so flameish during the lockdown 😀? I've seen you more enthusiastic and fair about less "attractive" pieces. And besides your speculations, we got your point now. There are far more watches for sale here that deserve a punting, hope I'll see your engagement there too.

I think you may be reading a bit more negativity into my post than I intended, my friend 😀
No ill intentions towards the seller, just my views on this specific watch.

I wish my 166.024 would command as much as no-date 165s apparently do 😁
 
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What worries me the most about the OP watch, is that it's a CB cased one... serial/production date on this one is march 1967. CB cases were not used before about Q3 1967 IMO, so should be HF cased ... 😒
And the rotor is btw later type/replacement ...
Be careful out there
 
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And the rotor is btw later type/replacement ...

What's the giveaway?
 
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What's the giveaway?
Take a look at the rotor. The text looks like it was put on by a drunken 5 year old.
 
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Can be a smart mix of watches with at least the part with the serial number correct. Also because seller has similar bezel for sale. Are we sure this is no relume?
 
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What's the giveaway?
It’s missing a small recess found on all original rotors in this reference. And what’s @kox opinion on sword hands on a trapezoid dial with the info you have gathered? Curious. 😀
 
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It’s missing a small recess found on all original rotors in this reference. And what’s @kox opinion on sword hands on a trapezoid dial with the info you have gathered? Curious. 😀
Thanks, now that I look more closely at the rotor it also looks like the large “O” underneath “watch” was only found on caliber 565 rotors - is that correct?
 
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