Almost perfect 145.022-69 or good 105.012-66 ?

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Unless the 145 was NOS, that caseback came much later. I'm still dumbfounded of the poor quality photos sellers provide of hi value hi ticket watches such as the 105 reference. In today's world of hi res, hi tech cameras and camera phones, I view poor pics of very expensive watches as suspicious. My opinion.
 
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It's quite elementary


The chrono should reach the end of the minute track as far as I know. It doesn't

As far as the crown: It should have a "flat foot" crown, with IIRC 24 teeth. Below an example.

The "teeth" on the example crown are much more narrow and fitting for a 32 teeth replacement crown.

For the relume and the polishing I cant comment, and gladly would learn how that can be distinguished from the photo @Monobike posted.

At least it had the correct "fat neck" pusher tubes with probably the correct "wide-short" pushers.

You are wrong and need to review more. the 105.012 has an overlapping 32 finer teeth non-flat foot(for the later 105.cb66) and flat foot crowns for the ealier 105.012. the cb cown is more diffused not extending beyond the length of the fat neck pusher.

i bought my cb66 in 2008 after or about the time of the first omegamania (note: no internet information on cb was available at that time except in 2015, check the google), as a second owner and all parts are original to the model including the bracelet and links. the cb has a different case design, even more larger than any other speedmasters in its era.the example has the correct fatneck pusher and 32 teeth crown.

(disclaimer: im not in any way related to the owner of the cb66 posted by the OP).
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how did you know the cb has a wrong crown and non matching chrono hands. much better if you have a cb and show it here.😁

You asked for it 😉

 
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yours have wrong hands (short) and damaged facets losing the sharpness. the hands are too white,
the patina or at least the color must match the lume of the indices like the cb of the OP.
 
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You are wrong and need to review more. [...]

I did. MOONWATCH ONLY 3rd edition. Page 308. If you have some supersecret info or source disproving that please provide it. I stand by my statement regarding the crown until that.

yours have wrong hands (short) and damaged facets losing the sharpness. the hands are too white,
the patina or at least the color must match the lume of the indices like the cb of the OP.

Dude. Seriously? Are you trolling?
 
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Unless the 145 was NOS, that caseback came much later. I'm still dumbfounded of the poor quality photos sellers provide of hi value hi ticket watches such as the 105 reference. In today's world of hi res, hi tech cameras and camera phones, I view poor pics of very expensive watches as suspicious. My opinion.
Why the 145 caseback should have come later? Just because it looks super sharp or...?
And agree on the poor pictures, as if some sellers do not give a s**t to what they sell...
 
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I did. MOONWATCH ONLY 3rd edition. Page 308. If you have some supersecret info or source disproving that please provide it. I stand by my statement regarding the crown until that.



Dude. Seriously? Are you trolling?

no my friend. there is not much info on cb66 when MO1st edition was published.
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This thread has created some serious thinking on my part and I'm not much of a thinker 😉
One of the original criterion when selecting any watch has always been: Condition, Condition, Condition!
Now maybe I'm somewhat prejudice but I've always had this thing for Omega's "mint" mistake - 220 bezel 😀
 
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I understand that it has a 1039 bracelet and an Omega service, but 9500 Euros for a 145.022-69 with a DNN is absolutely nuts IMO. It's a nice enough watch, but they are just so common. At 7500 Euros it would start to be interesting to me, but that would be the high end, and I can't imagine you will get there with the seller.

I don't like the lume in the sweep hand of the CB, but that's a quibble since the watch is appealing overall IMO. However, based on his posts I am inferring that the OP prefers watches that have a more pristine appearance, even if they are restored with service parts. If so, he should probably pass on both of these watches and keep looking.

So if I understand correctly DON IS the real value of a 145.022, more than a 1039. I thought the piece I spotted was interesting enough because of both 1039 and rare 220 bezel. I addressed the price issue to the seller who first will have the original hands put back in the watch and then consider a lower offer. But by the time he'll do that, I'll most likely have found another piece...hopefully !
That said, having spent with some time on C24 and many WW sellers, I just have not found any nice 145.022 DON, not even at 10k€.
Restored watches do not bother me (curiously, restored cars is not a subject for car fans) but I don't like service parts nor relumed hands/dial.
 
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I totally understand the love for DON bezels, but I also understand rarity. Simple numbers:
How many serial number correct '69s with DON bezels compared to serial number correct '69s with 220 bezels?
 
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So if I understand correctly DON IS the real value of a 145.022, more than a 1039.

Everything effects price.

That said, having spent with some time on C24 and many WW sellers, I just have not found any nice 145.022 DON, not even at 10k€.
Restored watches do not bother me (curiously, restored cars is not a subject for car fans) but I don't like service parts nor relumed hands/dial.

Yes, if one looks mainly at C24 and dealer websites, one gets a very distorted picture of prices. Be patient, follow auction prices and sales between collectors, and you will get a different picture.

I inferred that you do not mind service parts because of the insert on your 5513.

I totally understand the love for DON bezels, but I also understand rarity. Simple numbers:
How many serial number correct '69s with DON bezels compared to serial number correct '69s with 220 bezels?

We can only repeat this mantra over and over again ... rare does not equal valuable.
 
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We can only repeat this mantra over and over again ... rare does not equal valuable.
Yah, I know but it's really a nice 220 bezel 😀
 
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Yah, I know but it's really a nice 220 bezel 😀

This is one of those great situations where if you like the 220 bezel, you're in luck, since there isn't much of a premium for them. I feel the same way about the SW case-backs, I just think they're cool.
 
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I inferred that you do not mind service parts because of the insert on your 5513.
Well spotted. 😉
That was when I got it. But changed for Mk3 insert then. As well as EO clasp replaced for C one to fully match the watch.
 
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We can only repeat this mantra over and over again ... rare does not equal valuable.
Depends on the brand. I have some quite rare Panerai (boutique Edition and other Maiale featured ones) but their value is not specifically higher than same watches without Maiale which have been produced in way more quantities.
On the other hands, Rolex is the opposite. Every single mistake or rarity and you ends with a strong added value (Patrizzi, Inverted 6, 5513 3-6-9...).
Omega seems then to have a linear price value indexed on the age of the watch (unless it is all correct), not on the rarity. But I am far from the knowledge level of some of you guys...
 
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You pointed out some good examples, but those just happen to be variations that people like, it's not universal. There are quite a few cases where rarity and value are disconnected in the Rolex world. Certain dial variations (like your Maxi I) are really desirable, despite not being terribly rare, whereas some less common dials (like pre-Comex) are not particularly valuable. People just like what they like. There are many other examples of this with Rolex dial variations across the whole catalog.

It is absolutely NOT true that Speedmaster value simply correlates with age. Consider the Apollo 11 SW as an example. Brown dials are another. There are many subtleties.
 
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It is absolutely NOT true that Speedmaster value simply correlates with age. Consider the Apollo 11 SW as an example. Brown dials are another. There are many subtleties.
This is why I am still learning on Omega history and subtleties.
BTW, what is Apollo 11 SW ? You already mentioned SW back cases but have not found explanation (quick Google search).
 
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Straight writing case-back. They were the first "moonwatches" after the landing. The Apollo SW variant is quite rare.