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Talking about which: could this be taken up with the board that manages that building? Surely other residents should worry if things like this happen in their building? If that board also filed a complaint perhaps they could also finance an investigation? Maybe the building should be held accountable?

An HOA generally cannot be held liable for criminal acts against residents (check your state law since this may vary). Building owners do have a duty to provide a safe environment for persons who are legally on the premises. I do not see this extending to home burglaries. But you never know, it is California. Crazier legal rulings have definitely come from that state! LOL.
 
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An HOA generally cannot be held liable for criminal acts against residents (check your state law since this may vary). Building owners do have a duty to provide a safe environment for persons who are legally on the premises. I do not see this extending to home burglaries. But you never know, it is California. Crazier legal rulings have definitely come from that state! LOL.
True but I’m a landlord and I like to keep whoever is in the property happy. If I had tenants making complaints to me I would do everything I could to address it so that is an avenue that couldn’t hurt. I’m sure this poor gentleman has been thinking of all these things anyway I just hope it works out as well as it can.
 
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True but I’m a landlord and I like to keep whoever is in the property happy. If I had tenants making complaints to me I would do everything I could to address it so that is an avenue that couldn’t hurt. I’m sure this poor gentleman has been thinking of all these things anyway I just hope it works out as well as it can.

You are a good landlord. I'm not sure how many people live in the OP's building, but as the old saying goes, "You can please all of the people some of the time, you can please some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time." The landlord and the HOA should, and hopefully will stand behind the OP. However, the statement was that they should "be held accountable". There is nothing they need to account for unless there is a contract that states they are responsible for preventing break-ins.
 
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Building is part of a corporate property portfolio. I think their main concern is that they're not liable, hence why they're stonewalling about surveillance footage.
 
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Very sorry to hear about the theft of those beautiful watches, and hope you get restitution. As others have said, this has the appearance of a targeted inside job by someone with knowledge, even down to stealing socks to almost certainly conceal and protect the watches in transit. Definitely pressure your building management for access to the building's CCTV footage. If building management claim they don't have footage due to the security upgrade I'd pursue them harder via a lawyer. Their refusal might be interpreted as a sign they have something to hide. Also ask neighbouring buildings. Any footage showing someone wearing what looks like your clothes, particularly the Yankees caps which they might have stolen to try to conceal their faces, is more ammo for the local cops to work with, and you might just shame them into action by doing their job for them.

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i wouldn't be surprised to see some dude in a yankee hat coming out of the building


also,...if you happen to find any watch that you might think is yours, is there anyway you can prove said watches are yours outside of the serial number outside of the case?
 
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You are a good landlord. I'm not sure how many people live in the OP's building, but as the old saying goes, "You can please all of the people some of the time, you can please some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time." The landlord and the HOA should, and hopefully will stand behind the OP. However, the statement was that they should "be held accountable". There is nothing they need to account for unless there is a contract that states they are responsible for preventing break-ins.
I should clarify mine is just a single family home and I do require renters insurance I’m just saying if I have good tenants I’ll do what is in my power to keep them, snake toilets at 2am etc. but you are right being held accountable for a break in unless a state has some weird legal language would not usually come into play. I was thinking if the building had a lot of units and a number of residents expressed concern to management it may have a positive effect.
 
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I should clarify mine is just a single family home and I do require renters insurance I’m just saying if I have good tenants I’ll do what is in my power to keep them, snake toilets at 2am etc. but you are right being held accountable for a break in unless a state has some weird legal language would not usually come into play. I was thinking if the building had a lot of units and a number of residents expressed concern to management it may have a positive effect.

Can't hurt.
 
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Building is part of a corporate property portfolio. I think their main concern is that they're not liable, hence why they're stonewalling about surveillance footage.
Offer somebody some $$ to get a look at them
 
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Building is part of a corporate property portfolio. I think their main concern is that they're not liable, hence why they're stonewalling about surveillance footage.

They will have to check with their legal people to ensure that they have no liability. They do not, but the level you are talking to can't make that determination. Keep at it. Explain your goal at every level.

PS - If they continue to stonewall, look for a local TV station that has a reporter who specializes in helping people with these types of issues. Many stations have a feature that specializes in stories about people struggling with government or corporate red tape. If you convince them to make an inquiry you will get action.
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Offer somebody some $$ to get a look at them

No. Don't. You want a clean record that cannot be second guessed. Bribery on your part will not be looked upon kindly as this develops. Keep things on the straight and narrow.
 
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Well, the ones who get caught usually are anyway...

No, they all are. Some are just lucky morons who can't figure out a way to make a living without breaking the law and happen to get away with criminal activity... for now. This isn't a movie where criminals are romantic Robin Hood figures. They are antisocial leeches that prey upon hard working people like the OP.
 
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Oh jesus christ what a nightmare. I'll ask to my friend here in SF to keep bith eyes open.
 
The Father
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Ok, I am not suggesting the OP do this.

If it was me I am offering a favor in exchange for a favor. The longer you wait the better chance there is “hey sorry the video history got recorded over, or Bob misplaced it”
 
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I've already asked the building management to at least preserve the security footage. Hopefully they'll comply.

I already asked this on Instagram last night, but does anyone have any connections to watch groups in China? I'm concerned the watches will be shipped over there and sold to collectors who aren't aware of the theft due to the Great Firewall. Somebody recommended xbiao.com to me, but it's in Chinese and I can't read it to send something. Anyone have a connection there?
 
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abrod520 abrod520
Building is part of a corporate property portfolio. I think their main concern is that they're not liable, hence why they're stonewalling about surveillance footage.
I would think that they would happily provide video to assist in recovering your watches unless said key individuals were involved in someway? 👎
 
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abrod520 abrod520
I've already asked the building management to at least preserve the security footage. Hopefully they'll comply.

I already asked this on Instagram last night, but does anyone have any connections to watch groups in China? I'm concerned the watches will be shipped over there and sold to collectors who aren't aware of the theft due to the Great Firewall. Somebody recommended xbiao.com to me, but it's in Chinese and I can't read it to send something. Anyone have a connection there?

This story is everyone here's biggest fear. I feel for you. I would start a thread titled "Need help from down who can read Chinese" Because it is character based a Mandarin, Cantonese or even Japanese speaker could read the characters well enough to navigate the website. I can only speak a little bit of basic Mandarin, so I can't help.

I wish you the best of luck.
 
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abrod520 abrod520
I've already asked the building management to at least preserve the security footage. Hopefully they'll comply.

I already asked this on Instagram last night, but does anyone have any connections to watch groups in China? I'm concerned the watches will be shipped over there and sold to collectors who aren't aware of the theft due to the Great Firewall. Somebody recommended xbiao.com to me, but it's in Chinese and I can't read it to send something. Anyone have a connection there?

@Spacefruit started a thread about the watch market in Hong Kong, perhaps he has a connection.
 
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This story is everyone here's biggest fear. I feel for you. I would start a thread titled "Need help from down who can read Chinese" Because it is character based a Mandarin, Cantonese or even Japanese speaker could read the characters well enough to navigate the website. I can only speak a little bit of basic Mandarin, so I can't help.

I wish you the best of luck.
Calling @Walrus - I believe his wife is fluent and travels there for business.
 
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abrod520 abrod520
I've already asked the building management to at least preserve the security footage. Hopefully they'll comply.

I already asked this on Instagram last night, but does anyone have any connections to watch groups in China? I'm concerned the watches will be shipped over there and sold to collectors who aren't aware of the theft due to the Great Firewall. Somebody recommended xbiao.com to me, but it's in Chinese and I can't read it to send something. Anyone have a connection there?
Yes my wife wife can speak mandarin feel free to contact me if I can help I should have said read as well
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