Advice on 105.003 dial

MSS · Dec 23, 2019

Hi guys, thanks again in advance for sharing invaluable knowledge!

I am still in the quest for my first Speedie, and came across this Ed White below.
Watch was delivered to Mozambique, and I guess that explains the tan on the plots and brownish body (sorry for the lousy pics, the stains are on the plexi, not the dial). Would you place the dial and bezel on Speedmaster101's scale as "Good"? Case is a bit worn but I do not have pics.

Thanks a lot for your thoughts!

momosono · Dec 23, 2019

I'm far from being an expert but dare to say that something seems to be off with the paint on the hands (near the centre of each (sub)dial.
And what's that strange circle near the end of the longer indexes?
I wonder what the experts say.

WatchCor · Dec 23, 2019

MSS
... Would you place the dial and bezel on Speedmaster101's scale as "Good"? Case is a bit worn but I do not have pics.

Thanks a lot for your thoughts!

Unfortunately I am not expert either but I can express my opinion that the bezel is definetely not "Good" category in my eyes. Several dozen(maybe hundreds) of nicks and paint loss areas.

Dial is in my eyes"Goodish" from these photos. A few blemishes on the dial and slight scratch on the hour subdial.

Just my 2 cents . Sry I can't be of more help.

eugeneandresson · Dec 23, 2019

All the lume looks a bit shiny on the dial and the hands...it shouldn't. Also, the color and the texture is odd.
Its also very matchy-matchy between dial and hands (which it may well be on some watches, but not this one).
As such, my gut is leaning toward the 'relumed' side of the fence.
And as such, without even investigating further, I would not say 'good' in terms of price.

Maybe someone else has a different opinion? This is just my $0.02...

gefmey · Dec 23, 2019

I would rate the bezel as fair, and the dial average/good. It's hard to tell anything about the case without more pictures, but the pushers appear to be a mismatch of two sizes. Just not enough info.

Pianist · Dec 23, 2019

I think the hands have been relumed.
The dial could have been relumed too, hard to be sure on the pictures. But I don't like the indexes.

321Only · Dec 23, 2019

My vote for a relume as well. Especially noticeable with the lume in the chronology hand. As said before it looks like someone used a glossy binder while doing the job.

MSS · Dec 23, 2019

momosono
I'm far from being an expert but dare to say that something seems to be off with the paint on the hands (near the centre of each (sub)dial.
And what's that strange circle near the end of the longer indexes?
I wonder what the experts say.

Thanks!

MSS · Dec 23, 2019

321Only
My vote for a relume as well. Especially noticeable with the lume in the chronology hand. As said before it looks like someone used a glossy binder while doing the job.

Thanks!

MSS · Dec 23, 2019

Pianist
I think the hands have been relumed.
The dial could have been relumed too, hard to be sure on the pictures. But I don't like the indexes.

Thanks!

MSS · Dec 23, 2019

gefmey
I would rate the bezel as fair, and the dial average/good. It's hard to tell anything about the case without more pictures, but the pushers appear to be a mismatch of two sizes. Just not enough info.

Thanks!

MSS · Dec 23, 2019

eugeneandresson
All the lume looks a bit shiny on the dial and the hands...it shouldn't. Also, the color and the texture is odd.
Its also very matchy-matchy between dial and hands (which it may well be on some watches, but not this one).
As such, my gut is leaning toward the 'relumed' side of the fence.
And as such, without even investigating further, I would not say 'good' in terms of price.

Maybe someone else has a different opinion? This is just my $0.02...

Thanks!!

MSS · Dec 23, 2019

WatchCor
Unfortunately I am not expert either but I can express my opinion that the bezel is definetely not "Good" category in my eyes. Several dozen(maybe hundreds) of nicks and paint loss areas.

Dial is in my eyes"Goodish" from these photos. A few blemishes on the dial and slight scratch on the hour subdial.

Just my 2 cents . Sry I can't be of more help.

Thanks!

MSS · Dec 23, 2019

Thanks to all you guys! Have a great Christmas

Skipper_S · Dec 23, 2019

run...!

Dan S · Dec 23, 2019

momosono
I'm far from being an expert but dare to say that something seems to be off with the paint on the hands (near the centre of each (sub)dial.
And what's that strange circle near the end of the longer indexes?
I wonder what the experts say.

Hands definitely repainted. Not sure which circle this is referring to, the circular texture inside the sub-dials?

momosono · Dec 23, 2019

Dan S
Hands definitely repainted. Not sure which circle this is referring to, the circular texture inside the sub-dials?

I marked part of it in red (sorry for the slight tremble)
The one all around the dial where the step is. It looks unnaturally sharp to my eyes and there's a change in color of the dial which doesn't follow this sharp line.

Dan S · Dec 23, 2019

momosono
I marked part of it in red (sorry for the slight tremble)
The one all around the dial where the step is. It looks unnaturally sharp to my eyes and there's a change in color of the dial which doesn't follow this sharp line.

That doesn't bother me to be honest. It looks like some minor degradation of the dial finish at the step edge, which is not terribly uncommon. Also, I think there are some optical artifacts associated with crystal damage. Actually, looking at that high resolution photo, the lume on the dial looks pretty good to me, although the lume in the hands is less convincing. Just a gut reaction.

airansun · Dec 23, 2019

Hands and dial relumed, I think. Hand have been repainted too.

I would not buy this. Every time I looked at this watch, it would bother me.

I’m also betting the pushers are later service replacements, but I can’t be sure.

Spacefruit · Dec 23, 2019

As ever its down to price.

Not everyone wants a $30,000 Ed White, perfect and correct in every way. There is always going to be compromise.

I would also suggest that it is possible to have an enjoyable Ed White with major issues if its cheap enough. My everyday wearer Ed White is a relumed, failed extract example, that might make $7,000 on open auction with full disclosure, but it gives me more pleasure that some recent EW's sold at auction for 15,000 to 22,000 would.

So as with all the similar threads, its important to know the price in order to arrive at a conclusion based on the price/attractiveness ratio.

Fine quality costs a lot of money - there is no short cut, unless you steal it.

However I believe there are a huge number of watches that can offer great pleasure for a price that is a long way from the top level. It just the sellers are not yet ready to come to terms with what the market values them at.

I think the sellers of medium watches are finding out that in order to sell they are going to have to be realistic. With that in mind, this watch might be good to have at a low price, but I suspect the seller has unrealistic expectations. (Because most do at the moment).

A fine watch warrants and will achieve a fine price, perhaps more than last year. As an aside none of the B&M auctions I have looked at in the last 12-18 months has sold a fine example.

A watch with issues is going to sell for less than it did 12 months ago. Sometimes much less.

Advice on 105.003 dial

MSS

momosono

WatchCor

eugeneandresson

gefmey

Pianist

321Only

MSS

MSS

MSS

MSS

MSS

MSS

MSS

Skipper_S

Dan S

momosono

Dan S

airansun

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