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3861 movement broken? *Update: Read First Post*
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richard371
·Because watches are run before they ever get to the store, as I've said already.
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·Sadly I'm not having the best luck. Second 3861 with this issue. Also just got a new Zenith sport chronograph last week. Fully wound automatic and I put it though the same tests and once when I started it the entire watch stopped. I've tried 100 times to replicate it and cannot so Im hoping its a 1 off. Maybe Archer can answer this. I read somewhere that in very rare circumstances if the teeth on the 2 gears on a lateral clutch meet at exactly the top of the gear teeth when engaged this could possibly happen? hopefully that was the case here.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAh got it. I wouldn't think the chronographs function would not have been run that much before hitting the stores. My guess since these movements have to go to COSC for testing the metas they may have been made as long as a year ago lol. if anyone is super worried they might get one of these they might want to wait at least another year lol.
Again, it’s not related to the chronograph. The chronograph only brings the issue to light.
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Darlinboy
··Pratts! Will I B******S!!!I'm glad this is happening. It really reinforces the superiority of the Rolex business model. With Omega, you can easily buy one, but then it fails because of a "defect", and you have to send in it for service. Meanwhile Omega have your money and you have no watch. At least with Rolex you can't even get one.
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·And even then Rolex has the 32xx issue with no fix in sight even if you can get one.
I'm glad this is happening. It really reinforces the superiority of the Rolex business model. With Omega, you can easily buy one, but then it fails because of a "defect", and you have to send in it for service. Meanwhile Omega have your money and you have no watch. At least with Rolex you can't even get one.
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scapa
·I'm guessing that there are far fewer Snoopys in circulation than 3861s, even now, but is the bushing issue cropping up there also? I see there have been a few cases (anecdotally) with the Apollo LEs.
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nicolamilton
·I'm guessing that there are far fewer Snoopys in circulation than 3861s, even now, but is the bushing issue cropping up there also? I see there have been a few cases (anecdotally) with the Apollo LEs.
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nicolamilton
·I'm glad this is happening. It really reinforces the superiority of the Rolex business model. With Omega, you can easily buy one, but then it fails because of a "defect", and you have to send in it for service. Meanwhile Omega have your money and you have no watch. At least with Rolex you can't even get one.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=786299
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·It's the same exact movement but probably one snoopy for 100 regular 3861s. Ive never seen a watch fly off the shelf as much as the new 3861 so the problem will mainly appear to be in the standard SS 3861s. Simple statistics. There are many that are not seeing this problem because they aren't testing as much as some or they are fully winding their watch every day they put it on. From my exp on the 2 I've had including the one picked up from tourbillion just got in 2 days ago it tends to happen at least 20 hours into the power reserve. Going forward im going to fully wind mine every day I wear it and if it doesn't stop when I rarely use the chronograph ill just wait until it needs service or send it end towards the end of the warranty period. It sounds like omega implanted the fix in April or so. These movements are built, sent to COSC and then Meta tested etc so it may be months for the fix too show up in current models. if this is a problem for potential buyers I recommend waiting 6 months to a year before purchasing. For those that have a current model Snoopy, 3861, Apollo 11 wind the watch fully every day and enjoy it as you may not exp the problem at all but im willing to bet most of them if not all (besides repaired ones) do not have the new bushing yet. The harder you look for the problem the more likely you will find it.
Also if my AD offered me a Snoopy id buy it in a heartbeat even if I knew it had the issue. Same with a Rolex 32XX sub or GMT. At least their is a fix for the Omega.
Also if my AD offered me a Snoopy id buy it in a heartbeat even if I knew it had the issue. Same with a Rolex 32XX sub or GMT. At least their is a fix for the Omega.
I hope Snoopy are not affected, for my own sake.
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nicolamilton
·It's the same exact movement but probably one snoopy for 100 regular 3861s. Ive never seen a watch fly off the shelf as much as the new 3861 so the problem will mainly appear to be in the standard SS 3861s. Simple statistics. There are many that are not seeing this problem because they aren't testing as much as some or they are fully winding their watch every day they put it on. From my exp on the 2 I've had including the one picked up from tourbillion just got in 2 days ago it tends to happen at least 20 hours into the power reserve. Going forward im going to fully wind mine every day I wear it and if it doesn't stop when I rarely use the chronograph ill just wait until it needs service or send it end towards the end of the warranty period. It sounds like omega implanted the fix in April or so. These movements are built, sent to COSC and then Meta tested etc so it may be months for the fix too show up in current models. if this is a problem for potential buyers I recommend waiting 6 months to a year before purchasing. For those that have a current model Snoopy, 3861, Apollo 11 wind the watch fully every day and enjoy it as you may not exp the problem at all but im willing to bet most of them if not all (besides repaired ones) do not have the new bushing yet. The harder you look for the problem the more likely you will find it.
Also if my AD offered me a Snoopy id buy it in a heartbeat even if I knew it had the issue. Same with a Rolex 32XX sub or GMT. At least their is a fix for the Omega.
I've checked my 50th anniversary snoopy chronograph many times, including after 24h wound, and so far so good. I'll keep checking from time to time, I'm not worried or obsessed.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerIt's the same exact movement but probably one snoopy for 100 regular 3861s. Ive never seen a watch fly off the shelf as much as the new 3861 so the problem will mainly appear to be in the standard SS 3861s. Simple statistics. There are many that are not seeing this problem because they aren't testing as much as some or they are fully winding their watch every day they put it on.
The watch is meant to be wound daily, so if you do that and don't use the chronograph (which many chronograph owners do not), then the watch may go a long time without this showing up. I believe this is why Omega isn't pulling stock, because there will be owners who don't ever see this issue until the watch gets it's first normal service.
For many, particularly those who don't read the hype on forums about this issue, it will be a non-event.
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Darlinboy
··Pratts! Will I B******S!!!Exactly! I'll take a defective Rolex I can't buy over a defective Omega that I can easily buy, every time.
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richard371
·Lol I’d take the omega knowing there is a fix.
Exactly! I'll take a defective Rolex I can't buy over a defective Omega that I can easily buy, every time.
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justacpa
·If you read my first post on this thread, mine was an Apollo 11 steel/gold. The first known issue in here was the gold version as well.
I’m not sure it’s leaving the chrono on that’s the issue. More repeated on/off - at least that’s what I believe gave mine the issue (but I’m not an expert).
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·79. Wow.
It's the same exact movement but probably one snoopy for 100 regular 3861s. Ive never seen a watch fly off the shelf as much as the new 3861 so the problem will mainly appear to be in the standard SS 3861s. Simple statistics. There are many that are not seeing this problem because they aren't testing as much as some or they are fully winding their watch every day they put it on. From my exp on the 2 I've had including the one picked up from tourbillion just got in 2 days ago it tends to happen at least 20 hours into the power reserve. Going forward im going to fully wind mine every day I wear it and if it doesn't stop when I rarely use the chronograph ill just wait until it needs service or send it end towards the end of the warranty period. It sounds like omega implanted the fix in April or so. These movements are built, sent to COSC and then Meta tested etc so it may be months for the fix too show up in current models. if this is a problem for potential buyers I recommend waiting 6 months to a year before purchasing. For those that have a current model Snoopy, 3861, Apollo 11 wind the watch fully every day and enjoy it as you may not exp the problem at all but im willing to bet most of them if not all (besides repaired ones) do not have the new bushing yet. The harder you look for the problem the more likely you will find it.
Also if my AD offered me a Snoopy id buy it in a heartbeat even if I knew it had the issue. Same with a Rolex 32XX sub or GMT. At least their is a fix for the Omega.
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Big_Wrist
·I have a new 3861 sapphire sandwich on order, I was told it'll take 3 to 4 weeks as the sapphire on bracelet version is out of stock in the U.S. other than what's left at AD's. If the watch runs normally and nothing goes wrong after 4 years and 11 months, could I request a free full service under warranty to have the watch checked and looked over prior to the warranty expires?
It's a watch that I've always wanted. The 5 year warranty, the acknowledgement from Omega of the issue, and that they have a solution on how to fix the issue is very reassuring to me to go ahead and make the purchase.
It's a watch that I've always wanted. The 5 year warranty, the acknowledgement from Omega of the issue, and that they have a solution on how to fix the issue is very reassuring to me to go ahead and make the purchase.
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·Curious about the snoopy. I would think there would be more load in the chronograph when it runs due to moving the animations in the back in addition to the hands?
