3 days to return if questionable. Please help! Hehe 145.016??

Mister2kris · Aug 10, 2020

I'm new! Just thought I'd get your opinion on this watch I just purchased (Should be arriving sometime this week). It was super spontaneous.... I have 3 days to get a full refund if something doesn't seem to be legit (It's from a trusted online seller). Once I get it in I will definitely bring it to Omega AD and have it looked through. But before then, any comments would be appreciated. One thing I noticed and if someone can verify... it the Beads of Rice bracelet installed bottom side up???? And was a universal Omega Beads of Rice w/ universal endlinks sold during this time. Lastly and more importantly.... this doesn't look like a 1985 Omega right????

Not a crazy newbie to Omega...I own a FOIS, Seamaster 300 36mm, and a Cal 751 Sparkle Dial... It's just that I haven't seen a 145.016??? In this condition or set-up. Thanks in advance!!!

kov · Aug 10, 2020

In any case this movement can’t have a 48 Millions serial. The investigations should start there. And if it does, it would be a straight return.

either the trusted seller made a copy-plaste from another watch description and didn’t adapt the serial or the movement doesn’t belong to this watch.

let’s wait for the watch to arrive and see more from your (better) pictures 😀

Dan S · Aug 10, 2020

I don't think that bracelet is correct for the watch. And yes, there is something wrong with the serial number and date. Unfortunately, I think you'll need to see the inside to get it straightened out, and once you do that, you won't be able to return it. Maybe it's a 28M serial instead of 48M, then all would be fine, since the reference indicates -69.

Dan S · Aug 10, 2020

Have you seen this thread? Plenty of reading for you.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/145-006-145-016-seamaster-chronograph-research-thread.77145/

Mister2kris · Aug 10, 2020

Thanks Guys!!!!!

Dan S
Have you seen this thread? Plenty of reading for you.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/145-006-145-016-seamaster-chronograph-research-thread.77145/

I did Dan S! That's where I did most of my research. I purchased the watch for just under $3400. I thought that may have been a pretty good deal if the watch itself was legit minus the description.

Mister2kris · Aug 10, 2020

Authentic Beads of Rice Omega bracelets are hard to come by... And I could see from the pics that the crown, glass, are signed. Any other red flags that u see?

Mister2kris · Aug 10, 2020

kov
In any case this movement can’t have a 48 Millions serial. The investigations should start there. And if it does, it would be a straight return.

either the trusted seller made a copy-plaste from another watch description and didn’t adapt the serial or the movement doesn’t belong to this watch.

let’s wait for the watch to arrive and see more from your (better) pictures 😀

Yes, lemme wait till the actual watch comes in and I'll update! Thanks! One side note... if the serial # is wrong in the description but correct to the watch would it be a keeper?

Mister2kris · Aug 10, 2020

Sweet just got tracking!!! Watch will be in tomorrow morning! Lets see how it goes...anything I can look for without opening?

Mister2kris · Aug 10, 2020

kov
In any case this movement can’t have a 48 Millions serial. The investigations should start there. And if it does, it would be a straight return.

either the trusted seller made a copy-plaste from another watch description and didn’t adapt the serial or the movement doesn’t belong to this watch.

let’s wait for the watch to arrive and see more from your (better) pictures 😀

Just a quick question...didn't Omega use Cal 861 till the 90's? Sorry if its a dumb question i really am a rookie 😀. I'll be posting pics early tomorrow. Thanks again for your time.

Sherbie · Aug 10, 2020

Mister2kris
Just a quick question...didn't Omega use Cal 861 till the 90's? Sorry if its a dumb question i really am a rookie 😀. I'll be posting pics early tomorrow. Thanks again for your time.

Yes, you are correct. It then became the cal 1861

asrnj77 · Aug 10, 2020

Mister2kris
Just a quick question...didn't Omega use Cal 861 till the 90's? Sorry if its a dumb question i really am a rookie 😀. I'll be posting pics early tomorrow. Thanks again for your time.

The issue is not whether an 861 belongs there, it is the idea that a 48 mil serial wasn’t made in 1969 (or anywhere close to that). Either it’s a typo or a swapped movement. Typo is fine, the latter is not

Mister2kris · Aug 10, 2020

asrnj77
The issue is not whether an 861 belongs there, it is the idea that a 48 mil serial wasn’t made in 1969 (or anywhere close to that). Either it’s a typo or a swapped movement. Typo is fine, the latter is not

OIC. Was this style of dial only made throughout the late 60's into the 70's? I can't seem to find any from the 80's... I called the seller and they said all the info was correct. Can't wait till I receive the actual watch tomorrow...

Dan S · Aug 10, 2020

Mister2kris
OIC. Was this style of dial only made throughout the late 60's into the 70's? I can't seem to find any from the 80's... I called the seller and they said all the info was correct. Can't wait till I receive the actual watch tomorrow...

The listing indicates a -69 reference and the movement serial number is decades later. Hopefully the info is not all correct. Have you figured out how to check the movement reference number without voiding the ability to return the watch? Frankly, I think you are in a tough spot.

Mister2kris · Aug 10, 2020

Dan S
The listing indicates a -69 reference and the movement serial number is decades later. Hopefully the info is not all correct. Have you figured out how to check the movement reference number without voiding the ability to return the watch? Frankly, I think you are in a tough spot.

Oooooh so the ".69" in 145.016.69 is associated to the year?

Dan S · Aug 10, 2020

Mister2kris
Oooooh so the ".69" in 145.016.69 is associated to the year?

The sub-reference is actually 145.016-69. If you are familiar with vintage Speedmaster models for example, they released new sub-references every year or two or three, so it doesn't necessarily correspond to the exact year, but that reference number suggests to me that it was probably made in 1969 or the early 1970s. The case-back at least, but probably the case and dial as well, since the style fits.

Mister2kris · Aug 10, 2020

Quick question... What would be the best case scenario...
1) It's an authentic 145.016.69 made in the year 1969-70's with a cal 861
2) It's an authentic 145.016.69 made in the year 1969-70's with a cal 321
In your expert opinion does the watch look like its been re-dialed? Omega uses sooo many different font types throughout the years?!?

Mister2kris · Aug 10, 2020

Dan S
The sub-reference is actually 145.016-69. If you are familiar with vintage Speedmaster models for example, they released new sub-references every year or two or three, so it doesn't necessarily correspond to the exact year, but that reference number suggests to me that it was probably made in 1969 or the early 1970s. The case-back at least, but probably the case and dial as well, since the style fits.

WOW! Thanks for the knowledge! I really dig this watch but I just want to be sure it really is what it is... Thanks for your time!

Mister2kris · Aug 10, 2020

Close view from internet photo.

kov · Aug 11, 2020

Mister2kris
2) It's an authentic 145.016.69 made in the year 1969-70's with a cal 321

If there is a cal 321 with a 48M movement inside, then you‘ve really dealt with a trusted seller 😁

145.016 = cal 861 but this you have certainly also learned yourself, from the research thread for example 😉

Mister2kris · Aug 11, 2020

kov
If there is a cal 321 with a 48M movement inside, then you‘ve really dealt with a trusted seller 😁

145.016 = cal 861 but this you have certainly also learned yourself, from the research thread for example 😉

Hehehe I felt so dumb went I went back over that thread... that was the first post and I totally overlooked it...LOL.