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3 days to return if questionable. Please help! Hehe 145.016??

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Soooooooo.... I just

So here we go...
I just got home from the Omega Store in Fashion Valley here in San Diego. Yes, it’s put together with a bunch of parts... some legit... some not.

1) Clasp maybe Genuine Omega but actual bracelet is not because the use of cotter pins?

2) Caseback states 60m waterproof... the watch with acrylic glass will not be waterproof to 60m

3) Becuase if the gold hands, something else on the watch should also be gold (I.e. case). As was stated

4) without opening he said the polishing looks off in a couple places as well. And since the caseback can’t be authenticated with the watch he thinks it’s frankensteined as well.

Now to get my return together for Bobs watches. Thanks again everyone for ur help! Hopefully this post will help others out as well.

If these are the "reasons" the Omega store came up with, once again, Omega stores know little to nothing about vintage Omegas.

1) Yes, plenty of Omega bracelets use split pins. I see nothing indicating the bracelet is anything other than genuine.

2) The Omega Seamaster 300 uses an acrylic crystal, last time I checked 300 is more than 60m.

3) Yes, stainless steel cased Omegas do often have gold markers and hands.

I'm not saying anything about the legitimacy of the watch, but clearly the Omega store employee who evaluated the watch is clueless.
 
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If these are the "reasons" the Omega store came up with, once again, Omega stores know little to nothing about vintage Omegas.

1) Yes, plenty of Omega bracelets use split pins. I see nothing indicating the bracelet is anything other than genuine.

2) The Omega Seamaster 300 uses an acrylic crystal, last time I checked 300 is more than 60m.

3) Yes, stainless steel cased Omegas do often have gold markers and hands.

I'm not saying anything about the legitimacy of the watch, but clearly the Omega store employee who evaluated the watch is clueless.

Yes, one could potentially find a 100% authentic and original Omega that has all of these characteristics. And presumably the Omega employee would incorrectly claim that it wasn't legit. Unfortunately, we have seen this type of thing happen, where a buyer insists on returning a good watch because they were given incorrect information.

The reason some OF members were able to identify problems with this watch was because they had studied this particular reference and had specialized and detailed knowledge.

Of course, if the movement actually has a 48M serial number as the seller claims, then even Bob's expert should know better. We were just hoping for a typo.
 
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A very interesting thread. Just goes to show the amount of decent chaps around, each with a wide range of knowledge and experience, on this forum 👍 😉
 
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Just a point about terminology—is the 1173 what you'd call a BOR bracelet?

No, not terminology for a BOR. it’s the reference number of the actual bracelet on the OP watch. I did link several web links showing it’s legitimacy as an actual specific thing. If you follow them you will see what I mean,
 
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No, not terminology for a BOR. it’s the reference number of the actual bracelet on the OP watch. I did link several web links showing it’s legitimacy as an actual specific thing. If you follow them you will see what I mean,
I wasn’t clear. I meant would folks generally include the 1173 as a beads of rice bracelet? I would have thought not, since the “beads” are comparatively tiny and not very rice-like, but the OP described it as a “classic BOR” and no one said otherwise. To me, the 5-row 1502 bracelet I posted is the quintessential BOR style, with the 7-row 1037 being a variant. If you would say the OP’s watch is on a BOR bracelet, I’ll need to mentally expand that category.
 
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I wasn’t clear. I meant would folks generally include the 1173 as a beads of rice bracelet? I would have thought not, since the “beads” are comparatively tiny and not very rice-like, but the OP described it as a “classic BOR” and no one said otherwise. To me, the 5-row 1502 bracelet I posted is the quintessential BOR style, with the 7-row 1037 being a variant. If you would say the OP’s watch is on a BOR bracelet, I’ll need to mentally expand that category.

I agree with you. While that 1173 bracelet can probably trace its historical lineage to Omega BoR bracelets, the style has definitely evolved. The center links have largely lost the rice-like shape, and are almost trending towards a jubilee style. It's probably semantics, but personally I wouldn't call it a BoR bracelet, and certainly not a "classic" example of one.
 
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Few things in this thread...

Regarding the dial going with this case that people have mentioned, that is correct - this dial was not used on the stainless case according to Omega. The dial with gold coloured indices is only used with a gold or gold plated case based on the information on the Omega Extranet. The dial shown is a 064TT1470802, and the dial that is used on the stainless version is 064TP1470001.

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On the caseback of my -016s there is no "Waterproof Tested 60 m" engraved!

The '68 version of this doesn't have this engraving on it, but the '69 version does. So this engraving on this watch is completely legit, if it is in fact marked as a '69 inside.

As an aside, both the '68 case and the '69 case are still available in stainless steel from Omega, so it could very well be that this is a new service case.

Mister2kris Mister2kris
I just got home from the Omega Store in Fashion Valley here in San Diego. Yes, it’s put together with a bunch of parts... some legit... some not.

1) Clasp maybe Genuine Omega but actual bracelet is not because the use of cotter pins?

2) Caseback states 60m waterproof... the watch with acrylic glass will not be waterproof to 60m

Unfortunately the people who work at Omega's stores are not experts in vintage, and as it has already been pointed out, some of the information they are giving you is incorrect. The "cotter pins" known as split pins, were common on Omega bracelets, so that is in no way a sign of a fake Omega bracelet.

The idea that a watch with an acrylic crystal can't be rated to 60m would be laughable if it wasn't so sad that these people lack basic understanding of vintage. Omega has made dive watches rated for far more than 60m that used acrylic crystals.

Of course the watch is still very wrong, but the people at Omega stores are not the people to ask about these things., The people who know this stuff better than anyone (including Bob's watches obviously) are right here on this forum.

Cheers, Al
 
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The '68 version of this doesn't have this engraving on it, but the '69 version does.

Thanks Archer for clarifying that!!!
 
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Just a quick update! Sent watch back and got a full refund (including shippin etc...).

Side Note: This whole fiasco worked out for me... Ended up finding and purchasing my "Grail" watch!!! Thanks again everyone for your time!
 
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Just a quick update! Sent watch back and got a full refund (including shippin etc...).

Side Note: This whole fiasco worked out for me... Ended up finding and purchasing my "Grail" watch!!! Thanks again everyone for your time!
Great outcome, care to share the grail?
 
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Oh here’s my “Grail” hehe. It’s not what you would think considering my other watches are Omegas and I’m on the Omega Forum lol. Here’s my Seiko Marine Master 300m (Sbdx017) which has been discontinued for a couple years. This watch is a tank and the fit and finish are amazing! Pretty hard watch to find and I was able to get a fair price as well 😀. Typically they compare this watch to the Seamaster and Submariner. If you ever have a chance, check out the specs on google. It’s an amazing watch!
 
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Oh here’s my “Grail” hehe. It’s not what you would think considering my other watches are Omegas and I’m on the Omega Forum lol. Here’s my Seiko Marine Master 300m (Sbdx017) which has been discontinued for a couple years. This watch is a tank and the fit and finish are amazing! Pretty hard watch to find and I was able to get a fair price as well 😀. Typically they compare this watch to the Seamaster and Submariner. If you ever have a chance, check out the specs on google. It’s an amazing watch!
Forget I asked.😗







Just kidding, everyone's grail is personal. Luckily Omega forums appreciates watches in general not only Omega. As I'm not a diver and don't have the wrist to wear a diver this is something out of my comfortzone, but congrats you found this.👍
 
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Forget I asked.😗

Hahaha what’s funny is my other diver is a 36mm Omega lol.





Just kidding, everyone's grail is personal. Luckily Omega forums appreciates watches in general not only Omega. As I'm not a diver and don't have the wrist to wear a diver this is something out of my comfortzone, but congrats you found this.👍
 
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It's more the look of robustness (bezel) and thickness of the watch than size. I have one watch with a countdown bezel but because of the liquidmetal design it look more like a sportswatch.
 
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So.... I see the watch is back up for sale again on BoBs Watches!?!?
 
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