1972 Connie - is this a redial?

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Hi,
1/ "OMEGA" applied logo is very close to "Automatic".
2/ It practically runs over the 1st letter A.
3/ I'm under impression that "OMEGA" and "Automatic" and not really parallel. Distance between "A" in "OMEGA" and "C" in "Automatic" is larger than "O" in "Omega" and "A" in "Automatic".
4/ Any other tell-tales ?

ps. Edit: just correcting a typo.

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I recognized his wrist shot, so for posterity, this is being offered by Omega Enthusiast for $3,450.
 
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@o.m.e.g.a

The text certainly appears misaligned.
The other obvious issue is the vertical alignment of the star with the word Constellation.

This is a VERY late dogleg Constellation (as the sellers description says) with painted indices rather than onyx.

There are two possibilities for the dial on this watch:

1. Omega had pretty much lost the plot at this stage, even on their top of the range watch, and allowed any old tosh to leave the factory regardless of quality control
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2. There is something wrong (after market) with the dial.

My money is on the latter.

There was another late Constellation discussed recently where the dial had heavy font causing some concern but otherwise appeared to be ok.

I don't think this watch falls into that category.

I know Omega enthusiast has been discussed before - and dealers have to make a living- but even if this watch had onyx inserts and the dial was beyond reproach, $3,450 for a SS dogleg pie pan is a bit extreme IMHO.
However, for this watch with painted indices and a dubious dial, the price is beyond comprehension.
 
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@Peemacgee , big thanks for your input ! 😀
Actually, having looked more at the sellers link, I'm now undecided about Omega's quality control.

The lack of quality in the movement printing is astonishing (likewise the case back)

-and yes, I was going to mention the medallion too! - meteorite attack?

Either way - the price is still quite ridiculous.
 
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Omega went to rat shit in the early 1970s. The text is downright wonky though so surely it cant have left the factory like that? The medallion is so awful as to appear fake but it's so bad maybe it's right. Whatever, I wouldn't buy it at half the price.
 
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I find it strange/lazy that a dealer selling vintage Omegas at the very, very top end of the market doesn’t provide a close up picture of the dial.
Even his ‘large’ pictures aren’t great and they’re all taken from a distance. Pretty poor really.

I think serifs are just about visible on the pictures so I’d probably sway to it being a QC issue as omega started concentrating more on efficiency in the 70’s. However, it would trouble me as a buyer and I think the only way to be more certain would be to view in person under a loupe. That said, even if it’s original, it’s clearly got issues and at there’s no way I’d consider it at that orice, especially with the originality/QC issues.
 
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I would be concerned about the movement not being original to the case. Looked at a few 1972-73 Omega catalogs online and it is my belief that the Ref. 168.005 was retired by this time.

Also, the engraving on the bridge looks very wonky to me beyond the point that it can attributed to QC issues.

Omega was still producing Cal 56X movements in the early 1960’s for other watches. I’ve never heard of a drop off in the quality of those movements in other styles.

This example is just a frankenwatch and the seller (and I hope he reads this) should be ripped here for pushing 2nd class goods at outrageous prices.
gatorcp
 
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OMG, now I'm thinking about the advice to be skeptical and rely on own knowledge
 
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OMG, now I'm thinking about the advice to be skeptical and rely on own knowledge
The best advice is - Treat every watch with caution and work forwards from there.
 
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To my eye that looks like a reprint. First line AUTOMATIC font is taller than it should be.

The printing is also a LOT darker and bolder than it should be. Compare the connie script to other known examples.
 
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I would be concerned about the movement not being original to the case. Looked at a few 1972-73 Omega catalogs online and it is my belief that the Ref. 168.005 was retired by this time.

Also, the engraving on the bridge looks very wonky to me beyond the point that it can attributed to QC issues.

Omega was still producing Cal 56X movements in the early 1960’s for other watches. I’ve never heard of a drop off in the quality of those movements in other styles.

This example is just a frankenwatch and the seller (and I hope he reads this) should be ripped here for pushing 2nd class goods at outrageous prices.
gatorcp

For clarity, I assume you meant early 70s - and it’s true that there were plenty of C cases and chronometer grade Seamasters (with perfectly formed 564s driving them) into the early ‘70s.

I know it’s a contentious subject, but there have been a small number of doglegs with early 70s movt serials show up on OF.
But in sufficiently small numbers to not necessarily have been included in general catalogues.
A bit like the 168.004 carrying a cal 564, the only proof of this will be when one shows up with original papers.

Personally, I wouldn’t touch this watch at any price.
 
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This could 100% be original from Omega, but I think its interesting to see double deep stampings here with evidence of stippling/peening to obfsucate. Its like Omega (or other party) used a bridge from another 5xx caliber with 19j. Again... 70s Omega was the wild west, this could be a 100% authentic franken parts bin watch. Maybe sourced from an uncommon market/region?