1970 Speedmaster help wanted

[coastalnative]

Is it possible that a Speedmaster (on its original 2/70 dated bracelet) is a 321 movement or would it be and 861. Bezel is DON and there is an accent over the ‘e’ .

 

[hansaboy]

Check here:
https://speedmaster101.com/145-022_update/

 

[Scarecrow Boat]

Do you have any photos you can share of the watch and inside of the caseback?

 

[befobe]

coastalnative

on its original 2/70 dated bracelet

Absolute rule : a bracelet gives no information about a watch...

 

[coastalnative]

Agreed but I don't have access to inside the case back and the bracelet and bezel are original. The whole watch is original.

 

[Dan S]

We can't help without any useful information. I will just say that you have no way to know what is original. Don't kid yourself.

 

[Wlcutter]

There are other questions to answer.

1. What is the shape of the central chrono hand?

2. Is the Omega symbol painted or applied?

You haven't identified the model, so in theory it could be a 145.022 or 145.012.

 

[padders]

Wlcutter

There are other questions to answer.

1. What is the shape of the central chrono hand?

2. Is the Omega symbol painted or applied?

You haven't identified the model, so in theory it could be a 145.022 or 145.012.

Not if it was truly made in 1970 it won’t. All the 321s were out the door by early 1969.

Edited: Apr 26, 2024

 

[hansaboy]

Time for some pictures maybe??

 

[Wlcutter]

padders

Not if it was truly made in 1970 it won’t. All the 321s were put the door by early 1969.

Correct, but given the original post, I don't see anything claiming the *watch* was made in 1970; unless I'm missing something, it's being dated based on the bracelet.

 

[padders]

Wlcutter

Correct, but given the original post, I don't see anything claiming the *watch* was made in 1970; unless I'm missing something, it's being dated based on the bracelet.

Quite so, there isn’t enough to go on but my point stands that if it were made in 1970 it can’t be a 321. A spear hand would be suggestive its true but as with the bezel, an applied or painted logo isn’t a definite test of course…

 

[pdxleaf]

coastalnative

I'll try to get some pics posted to put this to bed.

Guessing the Speedy is our favorite game so looking forward to the pictures.

Linking to your earlier thread for continuity

https://omegaforums.net/threads/replacement-bracelet-1039.167806/

 

[coastalnative]

There are the photos folks (took off the original 1039 / 516 bracelet dated 2/70) because it was broken in favor of a new 1171.. Otherwise all original

 

[140dave]

Should be a 145.022-69 with an 861 movement based on your pictures and info. Just curious, why would you think there might be a 321 movement in there?

 

[padders]

coastalnative

I honestly wasn't sure. The 2/70 dated bracelet made me think that perhaps the watch was made at the end of 1969 and could possibly have a 321. Is one worth more than the other?

It could have been made anytime between mid 1969 to late 1970. The date on the bracelet was about right.

Yes, the 321s are worth more. This presents as a 861 movement 145.022-69 due to the Pre Moon back, short dial indices, flat end chrono hand, painted logo. It’s in OK but not wonderful condition, the hands in particular are poor.

Edited: May 2, 2024

 

[Davidt]

Agree it seems a standard -69. All 321’s had the applied logo, not painted.

Looks like a good daily wearer as the condition/value is not so good that additional wear and tear will have a major impact.