1675 previously owned by President of Mexico.

993watch

Chris75, now I have to outright ask... are you one of Orchi's "little birds"? You started this thread slanted in a direction using his "lume plot gate" pixelated IG post for comment, where he's proclaiming (SHOUTING)... the watch isn't what it claims to be as represented by the sellers. Doesn't he also sell watches? If so, wouldn't he inherently have a conflict of interest and why would he attack other watch dealers like a petulant child?

Chris75

No, I am not one of Orchi's little birds, just a collector and scholar who loves honest watches.

On the contrary it seems you are here defending Mr.Wind from the beginning just because "you know he is a good guy".

That's not the point: a watch is ok or isn't ok, independently from the dealer.

And no, Orchi isn't a dealer, on the contrary he expose dishonest dealers, scammers, and made up watches.

And if I have to be honest you seem to have something against Orchi, and believe usually all character assassination on him is made by people he exposed, so maybe I have to ask you: are you a dealer? are you related to some dealer?

Otherwise I think you are really missing the point: studying and finding the truth about a watches, and learning something new.

georgetownhoya

Thank you for sharing this video. At 4:13 we see a brief shot of the watch. To me, the plots look on the small side and for the 2:00 plot, it looks like there is a long space between the bezel and the plot. But next thing you know we will be finding a shooter in the grassy knoll of old photos of JFK in Dallas.

georgetownhoya

Here are two more photos, for the one where he is speaking the plots seem to be directly in line and centered with the date window more like a Mark 3 rather than to the right edge of the date window, which would be a Mark 4 dial. The other seems to show the plots low in relation to the 12:00 triangle. For me, this is all Bigfoot type talk, but my opinion is that these photos show a Mark 3 radial dial. Chris75 seems to have something against me, I am not sure what it is, but welcome the opportunity to speak to him on the phone at anytime. I sent him a direct message offering to speak with him whenever he would like.

w154

On my google travels I saw Jose Lopez Portillo with what appeared to be a huge big-block chrono... something like a speedy 125.

993watch

You started this thread in a very specific direction... go back and read your original post. I am also a collector and have been for several decades, am not related to a dealer and am a person who doesn't like to see others have their reputations slandered without objective proof. That's what started happening here and while this thread may have some entertainment value, it also needs to have fair balance and objectivity.

Orchi isn't a dealer? Why does he have an IG that's public for selling watches and accessories?

I'm not missing the point. Studying and finding something new is why these forums exist. I'm continuing to learn and try to share my knowledge and experiences with others as well in a way that is fair and open to new information with reliable and factual proof.
You stated this is about a watch, so why don't you comment on feedback others have shared that is in direct contradiction to the content and conclusions you've drawn from information posted?

Finally, you've been publicly offered to have a conversation with Mr. Wind. Have your accepted his offer?

craftandtailored

Yep, he had a few different watches, I have a photo of him wearing a Patek ref 3700 somewhere ill find... Or maybe we shouldn't share it because it might spark a massive conspiracy lol...

993watch

In the meantime and because we’re talking about lume plot size and spacing...what’s the opinion on what fruit he’s eating at his desk around the 4:12 mark? Based on the size, I’m guessing grapefruit > orange. What’s everyone else think?[

Chris75

I am really starting doubting your good faith.

1) Orchi isn't a dealer, and the fact that as many collectors had been selling a watch now and then doesn't make him a dealer.
There is a Watch for sale here on Omegaforum. Are they all dealers? Can't any of them express an opinion or expose something wrong going on in the watch market?

2) I know you came here to defend mr.Wind and that's the point: we are not discussing mr.Wind, we are discussing a specific watch that from the pictures looks like it has a different dial.

3) We are already discussing here publicly, and, even if I could appreciate that mr.Wind is taking part in the discussion, I haven't seen any real evidence: from the pictures it still look like a Mk4.

4) Moving the discussion from the watch to Orchi Character assassination and mr.Wind sanctification is dishonest and epistemically wrong.

5) I have seen many people attacking Orchi, and no one was in good faith: 16520 'Patrizzi' dial with "cooked" dials, handwinding Daytona with fake papers or swapped dial, aftermarket inserts sold for Rolex original, fake Tiffany dial and much more: everything exposed thanks to Orchi and his "little birds" aka honest collectors.

Chris75

That's literally what you are trying to do since the beginning: moving the attention and the conversation from the watch to other less relevant facts (as Orchi or mr.Wind).

The fact itself that you even defended the blueberry inserts (LOL!) it's itself an evidence.

I hope Orchi (that has a genuine network of honest collectors) will post additional pictures or reveal new evidence.

For now I can say that from the all the images it looks like a Mk4, and everyone is in the conditions to compare fact and pictures and make his own opinion.

sxl2004

Stop in the name of love! 😲
All points have been made and it is now a p..... contest.

Best

993watch

I’m prepared to take a rest. I had to defend mis-statements about what I had posted and it’s intent.

993watch

You started this thread in a very specific direction... go back and read your original post. I am also a collector and have been for several decades, am not related to a dealer and am a person who doesn't like to see others have their reputations slandered without objective proof. That's what started happening here and while this thread may have some entertainment value, it also needs to have fair balance and objectivity.

Orchi isn't a dealer? Why does he have an IG that's public for selling watches and accessories?

I'm not missing the point. Studying and finding something new is why these forums exist. I'm continuing to learn and try to share my knowledge and experiences with others as well in a way that is fair and open to new information with reliable and factual proof.
You stated this is about a watch, so why don't you comment on feedback others have shared that is in direct contradiction to the content and conclusions you've drawn from information posted?

Finally, you've been publicly offered to have a conversation with Mr. Wind. Have your accepted his offer?

993watch

I get it, you have it out for Mr. Wind but won’t take that up directly with him for some reason.

Chris75

There is no reason to talk about Orchi or Eric Wind, that's not the point.

I really don't have any problem with Eric Wind, he's a dealer and he is offering a watch.

Orchi, other collectors and some forum members believes that the dial looks different from the one worn by the Mexican President in all the pictures.

I share the same doubts: from the pictures the dial doesn't look like a Mk3 to me: maybe it was another watch, maybe the dial was swapped, I really don't know, but from the pictures it looks like a Mk4.

Honestly, it really looks like a Mk4.

You believe it looks like a Mk3 and you believe Eric Wind is a good dealer and he can't do any mistake: I got it, it's not a solid ground or a good argument, especially because you are self-admittedly biased, but I respect your opinion.

I hope some more evidence will come, otherwise we'll just agree to disagree, there is no reason to start thinking about a conspiracy against Eric Wind or to defame Orchi Palar, they may be both in good faith even if for sure at least one is wrong.