145.012-67 Lume advice

php221988 · Oct 5, 2020

Dear Gentlemen,

I bought a 145.012-67 several months ago.

I love its overall look but I was to get your advice on the lume applied on the dial : do you think it has been touched or relumed at some point ?

I understand that 145.012 from this period (serial : 26077XXX) have puffy and sometimes irregular indexes, could these be regular lume from Omega ?

Here are few pics :

I found some thread in this forum :
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-speedmaster-145-012-67-advice-needed.83725/

many thanks in advance,
Regards,
PHP.

Seaborg · Oct 5, 2020

This puffy lume looks original to me.

tritto · Oct 5, 2020

I have the same model and it also has puffy and rather sloppy lume. Unfortunately the lume and hands aren't in as good a condition as yours.

php221988 · Oct 5, 2020

Thank you guys for your insights.

tritto
I have the same model and it also has puffy and rather sloppy lume. Unfortunately the lume and hands aren't in as good a condition as yours.

It looks quite similar for sure, it is original in your opinion?

boogedyboo · Oct 5, 2020

Looks original to me. It tends to be perfectly aligned lume which raises concerns on a relume.

php221988 · Oct 5, 2020

boogedyboo
Looks original to me. It tends to be perfectly aligned lume which raises concerns on a rely entirely.

Thanks for your reply.
I noted on several examples around my Speed's serial the same exact lume with some kind of misaligned tritium on the inner end. I just wanted to have confirmation from you guys that it was correct.

My 145.012 is supposed to be from the first owner (through a seller who also serviced it), I bought it in Netherlands where it was actually sold in 1968 as per the extract.

Thanks to you all for taking the time to answer, other advices or comments are welcome of course. Have a great week ahead.

Cheers.

jaegodylan · Oct 5, 2020

beautiful watch sir.. congrats on the find.

php221988 · Oct 5, 2020

jaegodylan
beautiful watch sir.. congrats on the find.

Thank you, very appreciated!

ndgal · Oct 5, 2020

Looks correct for the serial range.

Fatcat · Oct 5, 2020

No worries perfectly original

php221988 · Oct 5, 2020

OK Gents, it seems that there is no debate on this one.

Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion !

befobe · Oct 5, 2020

Really?... In 1968 Omega did its lume job like this?... I remain confused by these pics... How explain that some 145.012 have "regular" lumes (I mean, not drawn like with pen), and some others like that? In 1968, Omega did accept such a variability in its internal quality system?...

tritto · Oct 5, 2020

php221988
Thank you guys for your insights.

It looks quite similar for sure, it is original in your opinion?

I don't know for sure - especially since the paint on the hands has been touched up - but I asked a well known and well respected watchmaker who specialises in omega restorations and he said he'd seen enough 145.012s with similar lume to believe that it was original.

php221988 · Oct 5, 2020

befobe
Really?... In 1968 Omega did its lume job like this?... I remain confused by these pics... How explain that some 145.012 have "regular" lumes (I mean, not drawn like with pen), and some others like that? In 1968, Omega did accept such a variability in its internal quality system?...

Well, another time another standard I guess, these were toolwatches, meant to be used in sport or professional context. Main concern was usefulness and robustness I assume.
I am not sure whether Omega was producing dials / lume themselves at that time ?

Again, I came across these type of indexes several times for such serial, any few members here seem to have seen similar lumes for this production period. I just wanted to confirm this with you all here.

Flatfoot · Oct 5, 2020

That’s an attractive watch! Nice find.

Below is a picture of 26075xxx, which I believe has all original hands and dial- I purchased it from the family of the original owner.

On both examples, The wiggly, inconsistent lume very similar. I also note the lume color on the H & M and chrono hands of both are very similar in their appearance.

Looks like you found a gem- wear and enjoy it!

php221988 · Oct 5, 2020

Flatfoot
That’s an attractive watch! Nice find.

Below is a picture of 26075xxx, which I believe has all original hands and dial- I purchased it from the family of the original owner.

On both examples, The wiggly, inconsistent lume very similar. I also note the lume color on the H & M and chrono hands of both are very similar in their appearance.

Looks like you found a gem- wear and enjoy it!

Few hundred serials away indeed, close brothers and real close looking examples.

Yours seems awesome as well, enjoy it in good health !

befobe · Oct 6, 2020

Good infos here... Thanks. I was a little bit suspicious for my 145.012, with its non-regular lumes... But much more regular than yours!... Maybe the proof that mine is a relume finally 😲😲
.....
Your case is definitely awesome... Love it...😝😝😝

php221988 · Oct 6, 2020

I'll get it out of the safe next weekend, will post additional pics.

Have a great Speedytuesday all 😉

bgrisso · Oct 6, 2020

Here's another 145-012 to add to the group...

ndgal · Oct 7, 2020

befobe
Really?... In 1968 Omega did its lume job like this?... I remain confused by these pics... How explain that some 145.012 have "regular" lumes (I mean, not drawn like with pen), and some others like that? In 1968, Omega did accept such a variability in its internal quality system?...

Omega did not make the dials.
The dials were made by Singer. The reason you see inconsistencies in the lume application is due to the fact that the dials were made in batches.
When Omega ordered parts from its vendors, (like any manufacturer) orders are usually done on a quarterly basis. Therefore, between one order batch to another, there could have been a change that was implemented to the lume application method by the dial manufacturer with or without Omega's input. We really don't know.
Once you have handled enough examples of the same reference you can establish a pattern or a timeline of when these minor changes took place.
From my experience, I can tell you that this "Worm-like" lume is correct for the 26.07X.XXX serial range, usually seen with the "Teardrop" chrono hand.

145.012-67 Lume advice

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tritto

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jaegodylan

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ndgal

Fatcat

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Flatfoot

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befobe

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bgrisso

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