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  1. Stas Oct 14, 2018

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    Hello there,

    can experts please share their thoughts (and possibly some red flags spotting) on this Omega Speedmaster 145.012-67?
    On my journey to cal. 321 speedy I found it for sale head only. Advertised by seller as unpolished and all parts original. From 1967.

    The price is strong, but I prepared to pay a reasonable amount for a good example. If this is the one.

    Thank you!

    P.S. This kind of lume has already been discussed here and I believe it is original. I plan to see the watch in person with UV loupe on following weeks.

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  2. simonsays Oct 14, 2018

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    Looks great. Dial and hands are very pleasing which is my number one priority. Great bezel, and the case back is strong. It is hard to judge the case from the pictures, but looks very untouched from the state of the seal.
     
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  3. Davidt Oct 14, 2018

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    Looks like a beauty. I can't make out the serial on my phone so ensure that's correct but everything else looks great.

    Case is thick and strong, bezel and hands all check out and match the dial.

    I'd want to see it in hand, under a loud and also with a uv shot but I'd say that lume is original.
     
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  4. Stas Oct 14, 2018

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    Thanks! Movement number seem to be 29079...
     
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    Many thanks
     
  6. Davidt Oct 14, 2018

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    29xxxxxx isn't right for any 321, be ermind a 145.012-67. Are you sure it's not 26 or 27?
     
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  7. Stas Oct 14, 2018

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  8. Stas Oct 14, 2018

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    The best I can get from the image... second number doesn’t look like 6 or 7 to me
     
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  9. padders Oooo subtitles! Oct 14, 2018

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    Do not like that. A -67 would likely be a 24-26m and that doesn’t look like a 6 but it’s hard to tell, if it is a 6 then all is fine. Better pics needed.
     
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  10. Davidt Oct 14, 2018

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    Yup, you're going to need that clarifying before proceeding.
     
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  11. padders Oooo subtitles! Oct 14, 2018

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    By the way, you say the seller says it is from 1967. Even if it says -67 in the casebook, it could be later. 145.012-67s were being produced up until the end of 1968, there also seems to be some overlap with the nominally later -68 model, the only difference is the number in the caseback.
     
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  12. Stas Oct 14, 2018

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    Thanks! The extract from archive may clarify this probably?
     
  13. padders Oooo subtitles! Oct 14, 2018

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    It has an extract? Sorry I missed that if you mentioned it earlier. Yes a recent extract can be relied on for a production date. They can also throw up nice surprises like NAAFI delivered or even if it started as an Ultraman, though the latter is subject to much current debate!
     
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  14. Davidt Oct 14, 2018

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    To get an extract you need to be sure if the serial. That's the main issue here, we aren't sure what it is.
     
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  15. Gefa Oct 14, 2018

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    ....first the number of the movement has to be clarified... there is also an incorrect crown on the watch, should be a flatfeet crown and maybe the hour counter does not reset correct...
     
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  16. Davidt Oct 14, 2018

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    I don't think a flat foot crown is a certainty on this ref.
     
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  17. Stas Oct 14, 2018

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    I does not have, but I think if it is an issue with number, I can ask seller if he can get one
     
  18. mr_yossarian Oct 14, 2018

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    I don't know how strong the price is, but the Speedy looks very appealing. Can't initally see anything wrong with it either, the lume as you said, is also fine.

    Edit. Yes, make sure the serial is in range.
     
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  19. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Oct 14, 2018

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    The word unpolished suggest to me it comes from a Rolex dealer.
    The lower subdial is not lining up. Suggesting work may be required.
    These lume plots look unusually wobbly to me, and extremely uniform in colour. I cannot find comparables.
    1-145012 oct 2018 lume 2.jpg

    Additionally does anyone notice the colour difference in the bridges?
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    All these things I am pointing out might be easily explained. The dealer may be correct, the subdial might just need to be reset, and the lume may be original and the bridge colours a natural change.

    These four issues would give me pause before paying a strong price - and I am assuming the extract comes through.
     
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  20. GSA77 Oct 14, 2018

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    Thanks for the OP for getting this being checked out by the experts here. Stumbled across the watch the other day and liked it, however the asking price puts it out of my league any way
     
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