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13ZN Chronographs Inquiries and Information.

minutenrohr
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And "TELEMETER" instead of "TELEMETRE" is uncommon. Those two (Breguet and Antiquorum) are the only ones I could find. Here's a better (?) one which was sold 2014.

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J_pilot
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Very interesting - I appreciate the additional diligence. I’m personally inclined to believe the following:

Both Antiquorum and eBay dials are correct, albeit unusual, and for the North American market (owing to the breguet numeral style and “telemeter” spelling). I’ve found several other American market dials with the same spelling and LXW import codes, one of which is an identical config. to the Antiquorum dial:

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I generally place very little faith in Antiquorum’s Longines dial assessments (their track record is BAD). Their dial in question looks cleaned to me, but otherwise I’m almost certain it’s an original print, as are those pictured above and the eBay dial just purchased.

Juergen
 
J_pilot
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I spoke too soon - the inner “snail scale” on the printed breguet dials differ in size and style. Regardless, I don’t consider this to be compelling evidence that either was modified given the similarities otherwise. It seems more likely to me that they changed style mid-run for legibility reasons, although that’s total conjecture on my part.
 
minutenrohr
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...unfortunately, the movement and the dial foot couldn't be seen on either of the watches in question.
 
J_pilot
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here’s confirmation of breguets and “telemeter” spelling from the 1940 technical catalog on Peter’s vintage Longines watches site:

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J_pilot
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To close the loop on this example, as I now have it in-hand…

The dial is almost unquestionably original and non-reprinted. It is filthy but absolutely gorgeous in person,

The movement is seemingly all there and bears an LXW import code and 5.82M serial. The inner caseback is stamped with a 20662 order number.

Super happy to have scored this one, and excited to see it on the other side of a full restoration.

As an aside, the Oregon seller mentioned that he found it in a car bought at auction for $350 about a decade ago - a Kia Rio 😂😂😂


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Mark020
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Very nice catch!!!
 
qiushui
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J_pilot J_pilot
To close the loop on this example, as I now have it in-hand…

The dial is almost unquestionably original and non-reprinted. It is filthy but absolutely gorgeous in person,

The movement is seemingly all there and bears an LXW import code and 5.82M serial. The inner caseback is stamped with a 20662 order number.

Super happy to have scored this one, and excited to see it on the other side of a full restoration.

As an aside, the Oregon seller mentioned that he found it in a car bought at auction for $350 about a decade ago - a Kia Rio 😂😂😂


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A work that stirs one's heartstrings. Congratulations!
 
minutenrohr
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Congratulations! It looks like a really beautiful watch in the recent photos.
 
DirtyDozen12
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@J_pilot Fantastic 13ZN! I do not recall seeing another dial exactly like this one. Embossed hour markers are very uncommon on 13ZN dials. The design of the spiral tachymeter scale is also uncommon, with those angled steps. However, the dial looks original to me. The signature, sub-dials, and minute track are all characteristic of a Fluckiger dial. The "Swiss" on the dial, "LXW" mark on the balance cock, and "Longines W. Co. Swiss" on the case-back are all consistent with an American-market watch. Great catch, and thanks for sharing photos!
 
ritchi
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A new field for me... I'd appreciate your collective wisdom and comments.

Redial or authentic ?

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03.12.41 to A. Narath / Wien
33,4mm

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J_pilot
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It’s a tricky one to gauge (at least to an non-13zn expert like myself!) and I’m not sure I’ve seen another identical dial, but I’m leaning toward original.
 
minutenrohr
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The silver-colored dial foot and the poorly centered minute counter suggest a redial.
 
J_pilot
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minutenrohr minutenrohr
The silver-colored dial foot and the poorly centered minute counter suggest a redial.
I’m aware of several correct 1940s 13ZN dial variations with original silvered feet (often with applied hardware), but a good catch on the minute counter. There are many examples of slight misalignment but this is pretty egregious.

This thread contains several similarly styled silver foot example dials (albeit for 30CH): https://omegaforums.net/threads/longines-13zn-dial.160047/
 
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