- Posts
- 5,606
- Likes
- 8,720
Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerI edited my original post. Price is indeed including premium
13ZN Chronographs Inquiries and Information.
- Posts
- 74
- Likes
- 113
alphabeta81
·I watched, but take a look at the photos of same watch offered by Sothebys in November or so. Much more revealing, and the top pusher tube looks replaced....
Not bad, but I don’t think it was a steal.
Larry, have you ever seen an original dial 5699 with correct pushers go for less than 40k in the last 4 years? If so, please share. If not, then surely this is a steal?
I am regretting not bidding since I thought surely it will run away from me. Oh man, feeling the regret.
- Posts
- 996
- Likes
- 3,863
LarryG
·Don’t have a table of Sommatore sales handy, but have a vague recollection of one with a poor dial selling a year or so back for 20 plus. I recognize they are a grail for many, I bemoan not buying one years ago for a song when I had the opportunity, and I certainly was watching it with some interest. I didnt have chance to see more detailed photos of the dial and pusher, but for me the condition suggested a healthy discount. Do you know where the bidding stalled in November?
- Posts
- 74
- Likes
- 113
alphabeta81
·Don’t have a table of Sommatore sales handy, but have a vague recollection of one with a poor dial selling a year or so back for 20 plus. I recognize they are a grail for many, I bemoan not buying one years ago for a song when I had the opportunity, and I certainly was watching it with some interest. I didnt have chance to see more detailed photos of the dial and pusher, but for me the condition suggested a healthy discount. Do you know where the bidding stalled in November?
November had a $40,000 reserve including premium. Didn’t meet reserve. This one had a $30,000 reserve including premium. I think it just came down to price. Although I’m surprised in November when the economy was soaring and fear was not where it is today, it did not sell for 40k
- Posts
- 473
- Likes
- 1,627
divetime
·A totally fake 13zn has just been sold on Ebay from Switzerland.
Nothing seems to be correct on this watch.
But what really confuses me is the movement - I saved a screenshot
I wasn't aware that there are already "clones" of 13zn movements in existence 🤦
What are your thoughts? Has anybody of you more information about these, where do they come from?
Stay healthy!
Nothing seems to be correct on this watch.
But what really confuses me is the movement - I saved a screenshot
I wasn't aware that there are already "clones" of 13zn movements in existence 🤦
What are your thoughts? Has anybody of you more information about these, where do they come from?
Stay healthy!
- Posts
- 1,095
- Likes
- 5,556
Radiumpassion
·Very interesting. I imagine making a fully working 13ZN clone would be
a very costly affair. Could the above movement have been refurbished
to get this strange look?
a very costly affair. Could the above movement have been refurbished
to get this strange look?
- Posts
- 57
- Likes
- 47
TinyClown
·A totally fake 13zn has just been sold on Ebay from Switzerland.
Nothing seems to be correct on this watch.
But what really confuses me is the movement - I saved a screenshot
I wasn't aware that there are already "clones" of 13zn movements in existence 🤦
What are your thoughts? Has anybody of you more information about these, where do they come from?
Stay healthy!
I think before jumping to conclusions it may be worth it to run this by Longines Brand Heritage to get an idea of the year and what type of watch this movement was in. The serial suggests that this is an extremely late 13ZN. I have a 30CH with a serial below that one. I also think this may be a pieced together movement which was stripped and then recoated or painted silver
- Posts
- 473
- Likes
- 1,627
divetime
·I think before jumping to conclusions it may be worth it to run this by Longines Brand Heritage to get an idea of the year and what type of watch this movement was in. The serial suggests that this is an extremely late 13ZN. I have a 30CH with a serial below that one. I also think this may be a pieced together movement which was stripped and then recoated or painted silver
I just wanted to share in order to know if somebody has seen something similar before.
- Posts
- 1,095
- Likes
- 5,556
- Posts
- 74
- Likes
- 113
alphabeta81
·I think many people will be looking at this thread in the future.
To codify the learning experience for 13zn collectors, including myself, could you (@Radiumpassion and @divetime ) explain what makes the movement fake? As opposed to just missing parts?
To codify the learning experience for 13zn collectors, including myself, could you (@Radiumpassion and @divetime ) explain what makes the movement fake? As opposed to just missing parts?
- Posts
- 1,095
- Likes
- 5,556
Radiumpassion
·I think many people will be looking at this thread in the future.
To codify the learning experience for 13zn collectors, including myself, could you (@Radiumpassion and @divetime ) explain what makes the movement fake? As opposed to just missing parts?
I have not said it's fake. I think it has a weird finish if you see my comparison above. And read offcourse...
- Posts
- 21,040
- Likes
- 48,066
Dan S
·I have not said it's fake. I think it has a weird finish if you see my comparison above. And read offcourse...
Just touched up a bit? 😁
- Posts
- 1,095
- Likes
- 5,556
Radiumpassion
·Great minds think alike @Dan S 😁
- Posts
- 473
- Likes
- 1,627
divetime
·I m not totally sure if it is a fake movement. I just wanted to discuss it here and get some other opinions. I m totally sure that all other parts of this watch like (dial, hands, case, crown) are fake. And this movement including the engravement "17 RUBIS" looks obviously very suspicious. In the context with all other components of this particular watch even more suspicous. May be possible that ian original movement was rusted deeply. So they grinded everything down (all geneva stripe decoration lost, depth of engravements lost, polishment of angles and tension springs lost) and resilvered it (very bady). Possible? What do we think about the poor looking 17 RUBIS? I checked Goldenbergers Longines book. None of the 41 published 13 zn has a 17 RUBIS engravement.
Looking forward to read other opinions here
Looking forward to read other opinions here
Edited:
- Posts
- 2,170
- Likes
- 15,474
hejsam
·https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-LO...a=1&pg=2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109
A nice little project on ebay
A nice little project on ebay
This website may earn commission from Ebay sales.
- Posts
- 1,095
- Likes
- 5,556
Radiumpassion
·Poor little 5415🙁
- Posts
- 1,961
- Likes
- 24,733
minutenrohr
·...but unpolished!!!
- Posts
- 1,095
- Likes
- 5,556
Radiumpassion
·Yes, I guess somebody got lucky with a metal detector. Very unusual multiscale
dial on that one, will be interesting too see if it surfaces again in a different configuration.
dial on that one, will be interesting too see if it surfaces again in a different configuration.
- Posts
- 1,820
- Likes
- 27,947
maanu
·
- Posts
- 510
- Likes
- 1,910
