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13ZN Chronographs Inquiries and Information.

  1. khmt2 May 31, 2018

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    It was listed as an auction with starting price 4000 euros and also had a make an offer option. I had put in an offer and was alerted by Ebay that it was sold for 10k eur when the auction ended.
     
  2. minutenrohr May 31, 2018

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    But, when I looked on the auction yesterday, there remained six days until the end of the auction. Then it has been ended suddenly...
    No information from ebay except "4000 = end price".
    ???...
     
  3. gemstar Jun 6, 2018

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    That was too cheap..Something not right
     
  4. minutenrohr Jun 7, 2018

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    A further example of these "FAB SUISSE / LXW*" 13ZNs.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/202334591088?ul_noapp=truePurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    eBay item number: 202334591088

    * "FAB SUISSE" = Swiss watch for export to France
    "LXW" = Export to the US
     
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  5. Radiumpassion Jun 8, 2018

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    So we can assume it's a frankenwatch?
     
  6. minutenrohr Jun 8, 2018

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    ...at least the dial does not match with the movement.
     
  7. mh1717 Jun 9, 2018

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    Here is what Longines replied in regards to Fab Suisse dials on LXW movements:
     
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  8. minutenrohr Jun 9, 2018

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    OK. As the Longines vintage department tells us this fact, we have to believe it (or not).
    I´m looking for these watches since nearly 30 years and I´m sure I never saw a 13ZN with "LXW" on the balance cock equiped with a Fab Suisse dial. Except this one and the other one which was found by DirtyDozen 12.
    F.i. there´s one 30CH in Goldberger I. : It has "LXW" - but on the dial is written "SUIZA".
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    I tried to interprete the movement pic. The movement number seems to be 6033508 (503xxxx + 703xxxx are implausible in my opinion)
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    Maybe it is possible to ask Mrs. Trummer about a 13Zn with this movement number (maybe 6035508, 6035509?).
    Maybe there is some additonal information about the watch and it´s destination.
    But the problem remains: Everybody can combine any 13ZN movement with any 13ZN dial - collectors nightmare, dealers pleasure.

    rgds - h.u.
     
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  9. mh1717 Jun 9, 2018

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  10. Radiumpassion Jun 9, 2018

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    I think the letter from Longines gives the Fab Suisse/LXW combo a little chance,
    but I have seen collectors prove the Heritage Department wrong before. It would
    be interesting to see an extract of the archives on both watches mentioned in this
    tread. To see when/where they were invoiced to.
     
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  11. cchen Jun 9, 2018

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    I would imagine it's Longines Wittnauer given the LXW
     
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  12. minutenrohr Jun 9, 2018

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    Me too !!! I asked for this dial (obviously faked)
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    and they told me that it is legit. Generally in earlier years Longines was very large-minded considering wrong-or-fake questions...


    "I would imagine it's Longines Wittnauer given the LXW" --- does Longines Wittnauer sell watches to South America as well???
     
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  13. gemstar Jun 9, 2018

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    If Longines said this dial was legit then it's not obviously faked I assume?
     
  14. minutenrohr Jun 9, 2018

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    OK. So we have here the one and only "radial 12-hour-counter dial" ... longines 13zn eder 3.jpg
     
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  15. khmt2 Jun 9, 2018

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    A true unicorn! :p

    But I do agree that I would love to see some examples by Longines heritage to back up their assertion that Fab suisse dials were used in other countries apart from France / French colonies.
     
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  16. timex Jun 17, 2018

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  17. Radiumpassion Jun 17, 2018

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    If you like horrible re-dials I guess it's okay;)
     
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  18. minutenrohr Jun 17, 2018

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    ...and horrible hands + oxidized movement.
     
  19. gemstar Jul 5, 2018

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    Anything is possible
     
  20. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Jul 30, 2018

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