13ZN Chronographs Inquiries and Information.

khmt2 · May 31, 2018

minutenrohr
I saw it in german Ebay. It endet at 4000 Euros. I don´t understand that auction...

It was listed as an auction with starting price 4000 euros and also had a make an offer option. I had put in an offer and was alerted by Ebay that it was sold for 10k eur when the auction ended.

minutenrohr · May 31, 2018

But, when I looked on the auction yesterday, there remained six days until the end of the auction. Then it has been ended suddenly...
No information from ebay except "4000 = end price".
???...

gemstar · Jun 6, 2018

That was too cheap..Something not right

minutenrohr · Jun 7, 2018

A further example of these "FAB SUISSE / LXW*" 13ZNs.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202334591088?ul_noapp=true

eBay item number: 202334591088

* "FAB SUISSE" = Swiss watch for export to France
"LXW" = Export to the US

Radiumpassion · Jun 8, 2018

minutenrohr
A further example of these "FAB SUISSE / LXW*" 13ZNs.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202334591088?ul_noapp=true

eBay item number: 202334591088

* "FAB SUISSE" = Swiss watch for export to France
"LXW" = Export to the US

So we can assume it's a frankenwatch?

minutenrohr · Jun 8, 2018

...at least the dial does not match with the movement.

mh1717 · Jun 9, 2018

Here is what Longines replied in regards to Fab Suisse dials on LXW movements:

minutenrohr · Jun 9, 2018

OK. As the Longines vintage department tells us this fact, we have to believe it (or not).
I´m looking for these watches since nearly 30 years and I´m sure I never saw a 13ZN with "LXW" on the balance cock equiped with a Fab Suisse dial. Except this one and the other one which was found by DirtyDozen 12.
F.i. there´s one 30CH in Goldberger I. : It has "LXW" - but on the dial is written "SUIZA".
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I tried to interprete the movement pic. The movement number seems to be 6033508 (503xxxx + 703xxxx are implausible in my opinion)

Maybe it is possible to ask Mrs. Trummer about a 13Zn with this movement number (maybe 6035508, 6035509?).
Maybe there is some additonal information about the watch and it´s destination.
But the problem remains: Everybody can combine any 13ZN movement with any 13ZN dial - collectors nightmare, dealers pleasure.

rgds - h.u.

mh1717 · Jun 9, 2018

The 3’s & 5’s are unclear. Need clearer photos of the serial numbers to be sure.

There is also another one with LXW and Fab suisse dial in eBay now:

Dead Link/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/202334591088

Radiumpassion · Jun 9, 2018

I think the letter from Longines gives the Fab Suisse/LXW combo a little chance,
but I have seen collectors prove the Heritage Department wrong before. It would
be interesting to see an extract of the archives on both watches mentioned in this
tread. To see when/where they were invoiced to.

cchen · Jun 9, 2018

I would imagine it's Longines Wittnauer given the LXW

minutenrohr · Jun 9, 2018

Radiumpassion
but I have seen collectors prove the Heritage Department wrong before

Me too !!! I asked for this dial (obviously faked)

and they told me that it is legit. Generally in earlier years Longines was very large-minded considering wrong-or-fake questions...

"I would imagine it's Longines Wittnauer given the LXW" --- does Longines Wittnauer sell watches to South America as well???

gemstar · Jun 9, 2018

minutenrohr
Me too !!! I asked for this dial (obviously faked)

and they told me that it is legit. Generally in earlier years Longines was very large-minded considering wrong-or-fake questions...

"I would imagine it's Longines Wittnauer given the LXW" --- does Longines Wittnauer sell watches to South America as well???

If Longines said this dial was legit then it's not obviously faked I assume?

minutenrohr · Jun 9, 2018

OK. So we have here the one and only "radial 12-hour-counter dial" ...

khmt2 · Jun 9, 2018

minutenrohr
OK. So we have here the one and only "radial 12-hour-counter dial" ...

A true unicorn! 😜

But I do agree that I would love to see some examples by Longines heritage to back up their assertion that Fab suisse dials were used in other countries apart from France / French colonies.

timex · Jun 17, 2018

Would be interested to hear some thoughts on this one... Honest? Fair price? https://www.ebay.com/itm/LONGINES-C...rentrq:0ccefcdd1640a9c0b9381c18ffeb1fca|iid:1

Radiumpassion · Jun 17, 2018

If you like horrible re-dials I guess it's okay😉

minutenrohr · Jun 17, 2018

...and horrible hands + oxidized movement.

gemstar · Jul 5, 2018

minutenrohr
OK. So we have here the one and only "radial 12-hour-counter dial" ...

Anything is possible

Syrte · Jul 30, 2018

Radiumpassion
If you like horrible re-dials I guess it's okay😉

Question of taste, but the one above is mild compared to the one below:
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/LONGINES-13...193889?hash=item239e918b61:g:9-cAAOSwh1haMSEZ