Zenith Chronomaster Original (2021 38mm A386 reissue)

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As a Zenith fan with 2 of the regular configuration El Primeros (3019 and 400), I quite like the 1/10 variation that the new Chronomaster Sport offers. I don't think many of us use the chrono features that often and most likely, when we do it is for something that requires far less precision than the watch affords. The same can be said for water resistance.

For those who prefer the traditional second sweep hand, Zenith offers an incredible number of choices.

Which choice is most like the original?
 
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Here are a few but it depends on your model preferences.

we鈥檙e talking about the A386, and this was my point: the 1/10th is a shame (I would bet this 1/10th carnival trick is also the reason the paddle hand has been ditched )

Will they ever just give us a SS A386?! 馃檨
 
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This is as close as you will get for now. No "carnival tricks" and no vintage issues. I personally prefer the dial colors over the iconic '70s version.
 
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we鈥檙e talking about the A386, and this was my point: the 1/10th is a shame (I would bet this 1/10th carnival trick is also the reason the paddle hand has been ditched )

Will they ever just give us a SS A386?! 馃檨
Neither of the watches that I provided links to are the 1/10 movement. Almost all Zenith El Primeros sold have a regular large second hand. The 1/10 movement was only introduced in the Zenith Chronomaster sport.
 
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Neither of the watches that I provided links to are the 1/10 movement. Almost all Zenith El Primeros sold have a regular large second hand. The 1/10 movement was only introduced in the Zenith Chronomaster sport.

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Both the Hodinkee article and the first Zenith link you gave is the choronomaster original, with the 1/10th and paddle-less center hand.

Not sure of the disconnect here
 
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This is as close as you will get for now. No "carnival tricks" and no vintage issues. I personally prefer the dial colors over the iconic '70s version.

the Revival edition is a beauty!
 
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The 1/10 movement was only introduced in the Zenith Chronomaster sport.

Worth clarifying that Zenith used the newer 3600 caliber *movement* in the sport, which is the first time it鈥檚 been used in a regular production model - but has been used in several LEs beforehand. Thr *movement* has little to do with the 1/10th second chrono *complication* (except that the former happens to power the latter)

Meanwhile, the *complication* of a 1/10th second central chrono as been in several other Zenith watches going back to at least 2010 (if not before, not sure); for that matter, the 1/100th of a second complication has also been around
 
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Worth clarifying that Zenith used the newer 3600 caliber *movement* in the sport, which is the first time it鈥檚 been used in a regular production model - but has been used in several LEs beforehand. Thr *movement* has little to do with the 1/10th second chrono *complication* (except that the former happens to power the latter)

Meanwhile, the *complication* of a 1/10th second central chrono as been in several other Zenith watches going back to at least 2010 (if not before, not sure); for that matter, the 1/100th of a second complication has also been around
I see what you are saying about the 386 re-issue having the 1/10. I had looked closely at the 3817 and 385 models several months ago and assumed the 386 had the same caliber but for some reason they opted for the 1/10 instead. Maybe they felt that the 3817 provided an option that was true to the original for people who wanted the iconic tri-color EP but that is just a guess.

I'm interested in your observation about the earlier versions of the movement. EL Primeros have always been 36,000 bph but I was under the impression that the 1/10 sec movement configuration with no hour dial was new with the recently launched chronomaster sport. I have a 1973 3019 and a 1993 400 but am by no means an expert.
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I'm interested in your observation about the earlier versions of the movement. EL Primeros have always been 36,000 bph but I was under the impression that the 1/10 sec movement configuration with no hour dial was new with the recently launched chronomaster sport. I have a 1973 3019 and a 1993 400 but am by no means an expert.

A Week On The Wrist The Zenith El Primero Striking Tenth Chronograph Review - 2011

And in a handful of others since the above release

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Overall, its a great watch and I would support anyone who would want to get it. I guess I just keep hoping Zenith will at some point get their design-innovation department to catch up to their technical-innovation department. There is only so long you can re-hash 50 year old designs and/or copy the Rolex Daytona.

I mean, I could appreciate if they had made the modern version better than the vintage version or at least as good. But I can't say that they did. For one, as already pointed out, the bracelet is the same (or virtually the same) as the one they use on the 38mm tri color... No ladder... nothing new or unique... kinda boring. No paddle on the chrono hand is a key styling point on the watch. There is a reason why other brands like Omega have brought this back in the 300 and kept it with Speedy (I get the argument that its a 1/10th of second and that the paddle would look funny flying around... but (i) no it wouldn't and (ii) who really cares about the 1/10th function? I'd rather have style ... miss. Non-domed crystal... big miss. I think the dial is too white. Should have been cream or perhaps even textured.... miss. It just feels a bit lazy to me in the styling department.

Perhaps I'm splitting hairs?
 
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Simple, if you don't like it don't buy it!
I love everything about it and can't wait for mine to arrive 馃槑
 
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Simple, if you don't like it don't buy it!
I love everything about it and can't wait for mine to arrive 馃槑
Wear it in good health.
 
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Overall, its a great watch and I would support anyone who would want to get it. I guess I just keep hoping Zenith will at some point get their design-innovation department to catch up to their technical-innovation department. There is only so long you can re-hash 50 year old designs and/or copy the Rolex Daytona.

I mean, I could appreciate if they had made the modern version better than the vintage version or at least as good. But I can't say that they did. For one, as already pointed out, the bracelet is the same (or virtually the same) as the one they use on the 38mm tri color... No ladder... nothing new or unique... kinda boring. No paddle on the chrono hand is a key styling point on the watch. There is a reason why other brands like Omega have brought this back in the 300 and kept it with Speedy (I get the argument that its a 1/10th of second and that the paddle would look funny flying around... but (i) no it wouldn't and (ii) who really cares about the 1/10th function? I'd rather have style ... miss. Non-domed crystal... big miss. I think the dial is too white. Should have been cream or perhaps even textured.... miss. It just feels a bit lazy to me in the styling department.

Perhaps I'm splitting hairs?

Honestly? I'm beginning to think Zenith isn't confident that if they reissued a true 1:1 A386 reissue with the paddle hand, that people would ever buy anything they put out afterwards. So, they're inching ever closer, but keeping certain elements back so that we'll buy each model.

In my opinion, they should just do what they did with the 384 and put out interesting special editions on the 386 design every couple years
 
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get the argument that its a 1/10th of second and that the paddle would look funny flying around... but (i) no it wouldn't and (ii) who really cares about the 1/10th function?

As for (i), I wonder more if it鈥檚 an engineering issue, with the weight of the paddle being potentially problematic for the accuracy of the stop-second speeds of the 1/10th increments.

As for (ii) here here!

It鈥檚 a beautiful watch as are many of the others, and I鈥檓 nothing but glad for others for whom it scratches just the right itch. (I don鈥檛 need to be buying more watches, anyway!)
 
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What a beauty looking forward to getting it on my wrist 馃グ
 
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Overall, its a great watch and I would support anyone who would want to get it. I guess I just keep hoping Zenith will at some point get their design-innovation department to catch up to their technical-innovation department. There is only so long you can re-hash 50 year old designs and/or copy the Rolex Daytona.

I mean, I could appreciate if they had made the modern version better than the vintage version or at least as good. But I can't say that they did. For one, as already pointed out, the bracelet is the same (or virtually the same) as the one they use on the 38mm tri color... No ladder... nothing new or unique... kinda boring. No paddle on the chrono hand is a key styling point on the watch. There is a reason why other brands like Omega have brought this back in the 300 and kept it with Speedy (I get the argument that its a 1/10th of second and that the paddle would look funny flying around... but (i) no it wouldn't and (ii) who really cares about the 1/10th function? I'd rather have style ... miss. Non-domed crystal... big miss. I think the dial is too white. Should have been cream or perhaps even textured.... miss. It just feels a bit lazy to me in the styling department.

Perhaps I'm splitting hairs?
The crystal is domed sapphire, does it have an exaggerated radius edge of a vintage watch? No, but it is domed. The dial is not white, it is silver - looks white in some photos thou.
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I really like it but I find it a little confusing to look down at 3 subdials all adding up to 60
 
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I really like this new release (the classic configuration), i had the chance to try one with an AD last week end and the watch is definitely on my short list.
I sold my Speedmaster FOIS that I found a little too muscular for my small wrist. This new 38 mm EP comes at the right moment !