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Omegafanman
·Pure class from Novak from start to finish. A true champion, not much else needs to be said.
Well said and fully agree. 👍
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Well said and fully agree. 👍
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LesXL
·From a tennis point of view, obviously both deserved to be there, and Novak to win it (hélas).
From a tennis image point of view, you got narcissist/sometimes bully (awful interviews at times) and a selfish/middle finger the world player... On center stage.
Hopefully, we don't have to wait to long for Sinner and Alcaraz to reach the next level... or Rune, a bit young and emotionally wild (on and off court).
From a tennis image point of view, you got narcissist/sometimes bully (awful interviews at times) and a selfish/middle finger the world player... On center stage.
Hopefully, we don't have to wait to long for Sinner and Alcaraz to reach the next level... or Rune, a bit young and emotionally wild (on and off court).
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Omegafanman
·From a tennis point of view, obviously both deserved to be there, and Novak to win it (hélas).
From a tennis image point of view, you got narcissist/sometimes bully (awful interviews at times) and a selfish/middle finger the world player... On center stage.
Hopefully, we don't have to wait to long for Sinner and Alcaraz to reach the next level... or Rune, a bit young and emotionally wild (on and off court).
is that middle finger your world or the world?…. the world used to be a broad church…
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LesXL
·is that middle finger your world or the world?…. the world used to be a broad church…
My world is mine by definition, and I don't intend to impose it to others. I can have some views and thoughts, that I can debate.
The world used to be civilised too, rather than egocentric or dopamine craving
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerPure class from Novak from start to finish. A true champion, not much else needs to be said.
Novak showed some of his own childishness at times (far from his worst, which has been very bad in the past), but managed to control his inner demons better than Nick did. Novak wants so badly to be loved like Rafa and Roger are, but he likely never will be, and you can see how it bothers him...
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TimeODanaos
·Swearing in front of Prince George is a real no go.
Fun match though. And now Wimbledon has both a Muscovite and a (Covid-related) deportee on the victory roll. Definitely leave the official disapprovals to the politicians in future!
Hopefully, we don't have to wait to long for Sinner and Alcaraz to reach the next level...
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Deafboy
··His Holiness Puer SurdusKyrgios can certainly hit a ball but Djokovic is on another level in terms of consistensy and mental toughness. Kyrgios got lucky to land in the final with the semifinal bye, but one doesn't win 5 set matches against the best by playing well 1 or 2 sets and flaking out the rest of the match.
Oh yeah, Djokovic can also hit a ball, though not as an entertaining shotmaker as Kyrgios. I thought he played almost flawless in that fourth set.
Oh yeah, Djokovic can also hit a ball, though not as an entertaining shotmaker as Kyrgios. I thought he played almost flawless in that fourth set.
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64Wing
·I miss Roger 🙁
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Omegafanman
·Fun match though. And now Wimbledon has a Muscovite and an anti-vaxxer on the victory roll. Definitely leave the official disapprovals to the politicians in future!
Agreed! 👍
He has been very clear that he is not an anti-vaxxer (BBC quote below) One imagines like most people he has had some vaccines and treatments in the past. His health / body choices seem to be working for him and anti-vaxxer is a pejorative term. I am sure he is not looking to be a poster boy for every flaky group and using that term against him creates a very polarised environment
Novak Djokovic said in February that he was not 'anti-vaccination' but rather just 'pro freedom of choice' in an interview with the BBC.
'I've always supported the freedom to choose what you put in your body,' Djokovic said.
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Spruce
··Sunburst dial fanOf course, Djokovic’s popularity was probably enhanced by the absence of Roger and Rafa (and the fact that he was playing Kyrgios 😉
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Tyro Rex
·I’ve never understood why so many people dislike Djokovic. He gets in a stink when he loses, but that’s not unusual (only Rafa, who has never been a favourite of mine, always shows graciousness in rare defeat).
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerEarly on, I was a fan to be honest, and he seemed very genuine, he's had some great moments with fans and small kids. But as time has gone by, he's lost me as a fan.
I can only speak for myself, but for me it's his antics, not his tennis (although I like his tennis far less than the other two of the big three). By that I mean things like the yelling at his box (something that Nick gets vilified over, yet others get a pass mostly). I can't prove that he feigns injuries, but in my view there have been too many "miraculous" recoveries in matches, and between matches, that makes me believe that even if he is actually injured, he plays it up. I've seen him in matches have these problems with his eyes, and then it suddenly goes away. I've seen him play as if he's drunk, then he suddenly is solid as a rock. Mind you most of this is in previous years to the last 2 or 3, but it's left a negative impression on me overall.
Outside of tennis, there have been some things also that have left me uncomfortable let's say. I don't want to start a debate about the vaccines and get this shut down, so anyone who wants to debate them should take it to Facebook...and I'll just say that for tennis and Novak. if he doesn't want to take a vaccine, that's up to him, but don't play the victim when the completely predictable consequences (however misguided one thinks they are) come to pass. There's also stuff like this:
People are obviously free to associate with whoever they want to, and I'm free to not be a supporter of them when they play tennis.
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Tyro Rex
·Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Oh yeah, the antics… I remember seeing all of those things you mentioned. The temporary loss of coordination that can accompany a losing set, the eyes, the “torn abdominal muscle” at the ‘21 AO… all variations on the ‘wounded bear’ gamesmanship strategy. Murray used to shit me a bit with his phantom injuries too…
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TimeODanaos
·[Djokovic] has been very clear that he is not an anti-vaxxer (BBC quote below) One imagines like most people he has had some vaccines and treatments in the past. His health / body choices seem to be working for him and anti-vaxxer is a pejorative term. I am sure he is not looking to be a poster boy for every flaky group and using that term against him creates a very polarised environment.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerKyrgios can certainly hit a ball but Djokovic is on another level in terms of consistensy and mental toughness. Kyrgios got lucky to land in the final with the semifinal bye, but one doesn't win 5 set matches against the best by playing well 1 or 2 sets and flaking out the rest of the match.
Oh yeah, Djokovic can also hit a ball, though not as an entertaining shotmaker as Kyrgios. I thought he played almost flawless in that fourth set.
It was a very competitive match overall. The tennis was of high quality throughout. As is often the case in a match like that, it only takes a momentary drop to lose the match. Aside from a couple of service games that got away, and the woeful tiebreaker, it was very even throughout. Novak did his normal thing in tiebreakers, which is to lock down his shots and use more margin, and not give up unforced errors, and let the other guy go for too much. It's sorta boring to watch, but very effective.
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Dan S
·The vaccine/testing thing was the final straw for me with Djokovic, including the deceptiveness about it. But I still found myself preferring him over the alternative.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerThanks for the thoughtful reply. Oh yeah, the antics… I remember seeing all of those things you mentioned. The temporary loss of coordination that can accompany a losing set, the eyes, the “torn abdominal muscle” at the ‘21 AO… all variations on the ‘wounded bear’ gamesmanship strategy. Murray used to shit me a bit with his phantom injuries too…
Murray - don't get me started...ranks right up there as one of the most abusive towards their box. A gif I made from last year...at least here he is abusing himself.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAnyway, to get away from the childish antics and talk tennis, did anyone watch the women's doubles final? It was class although the way through from the champs. Such good tennis from both of them, with Krejcikova being so solid on serve and from the baseline, and Siniakova being the ideal pest at the net (something I try to do in doubles, but with much less success).
I love watching and playing doubles (very different game from singles), and it's unfortunate that it doesn't get the respect it deserves from most fans. I recall going to the Masters 1000 held in Toronto each year (I've seen Roger, Rafa and Novak in finals there). The doubles final is played before the singles, and the place is barely half full for that, and packed for the singles final. This is reflected around the circuit usually, and in fact one year when Mike and Bob Bryan won, they remarked at how large the crowd was compared to what they usually see.
It's good to see more singles players in the doubles. That used to be the norm, then an era of "doubles specialists" seem to dominate, and very few top singles players would play doubles. Seems to be swinging back the other way a bit as players realize that net skills can win matches, and doubles is an ideal venue for honing those in a competitive situation.
I love watching and playing doubles (very different game from singles), and it's unfortunate that it doesn't get the respect it deserves from most fans. I recall going to the Masters 1000 held in Toronto each year (I've seen Roger, Rafa and Novak in finals there). The doubles final is played before the singles, and the place is barely half full for that, and packed for the singles final. This is reflected around the circuit usually, and in fact one year when Mike and Bob Bryan won, they remarked at how large the crowd was compared to what they usually see.
It's good to see more singles players in the doubles. That used to be the norm, then an era of "doubles specialists" seem to dominate, and very few top singles players would play doubles. Seems to be swinging back the other way a bit as players realize that net skills can win matches, and doubles is an ideal venue for honing those in a competitive situation.
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Deafboy
··His Holiness Puer SurdusIt was a very competitive match overall. The tennis was of high quality throughout. As is often the case in a match like that, it only takes a momentary drop to lose the match. Aside from a couple of service games that got away, and the woeful tiebreaker, it was very even throughout.
I don't think it was that even. In sets 2 and 3 Kyrgios was quite erratic in his playing. Several shots were hit out of pure anger and frustration; some of those landed in, most out. He was better composed in the 4th set and kept serve but both players knew that Djokovic, leading 2 sets to 1, had the upper hand going into the tie-breaker.
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