Who Has Built A House?

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An ultra light tent, while spendy compared to other types of tents, costs so much less than a house.

As a current and former homeowner I can say, "Tents are The Way".
For a second there, I thought you were going to do a Matt Foley and say “In a van down by the river!” 👍

 
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For a second there, I thought you were going to do a Matt Foley and say “In a van down by the river!” 👍


Can't argue that option either given real estate prices!
 
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For a second there, I thought you were going to do a Matt Foley and say “In a van down by the river!” 👍


Or is that a Bruce Springsteen
 
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We demolished a 1950s house and built new from scratch 17 years ago in a very expensive part of California. My wife and I are relatively easygoing and enjoyed the adventure (and we had 4 small kids at the time.) Took exactly 1 year from demo to move-in, and we were fortunate to rent the house next door during construction. We are very happy with the house and would probably do it again.

I even did the asbestos abatement (cough, cough) myself to save $$ prior to demo.

Cost overruns were more on the order of 20%. If you're in a place where you can avoid rainy season during framing, that is advisable.

Good luck!
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I built (had it built) 2 years ago, 2 story, all brick, 2000sq/ft. We enjoyed it and are still enjoying the house today. We spent a lot of time on the design and that really paid off as during the build we only made 2 very small changes so we came in on budget. I would say the time on the design is fundamental to a smooth build process. We employed a main contractor, and an architect to manage the build, as I work away this was important but I would say that it’s another fundamental. It is certainly more expensive than doing it yourself but I really believe that it saved us money in the long run and we got the product we wanted. The architect also drew up a detailed contract for the build to set everything out at the start and although we never needed it in anger it gave us piece of mind should there have been any legal issues. Good luck with your build, it’s well worth it.
 
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If you own old cars, motorbikes etc definitely go the route of separate garage. Too much risk of fire, chemicals, petrol and oil smells permeating your house if attached or internal.

Another idea, space allowing, is doing an attached 2 car that is just normal sized, and then doing a standalone over sized 1 car on the opposite corner, that would be a little work shop.
We currently have 3 cars, mine, my wife's, and my current project. And I would like to have the ability (space) to pick up an additional project down the road.
Can't argue that option either given real estate prices!
Yeah but have you seen how much these new Sprinter vans can cost? haha.
We demolished a 1950s house and built new from scratch 17 years ago in a very expensive part of California. My wife and I are relatively easygoing and enjoyed the adventure (and we had 4 small kids at the time.) Took exactly 1 year from demo to move-in, and we were fortunate to rent the house next door during construction. We are very happy with the house and would probably do it again.

I even did the asbestos abatement (cough, cough) myself to save $$ prior to demo.

Cost overruns were more on the order of 20%. If you're in a place where you can avoid rainy season during framing, that is advisable.

Good luck!
Similar situation for us. Very nice neighborhood. House was built in the 20's. WOuld love to keep some of it but I just don't think that's realistic.
It is about 10-15 min from our current house that we will be able to stay in until the new one would be ready. We have 2 small ones currently (5 and 2.5) so being able to stay put for now is nice.
I have a buddy who actually does demo, and I was probably going to use him and help with some of that.

Meeting with the architect this AM had to get moved because one of said little ones came down with a stomach bug in the middle of the night last night.
Don't know why it always has to be in the MIDDLE of the night lol
 
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I’m part way through a build right now, so still plenty of time to make mistakes!
I guess it’s fairly obvious, but hiring a very experienced builder whom I trust has been the best move.
 
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My parents built my childhood home. After observation, I determined way back then that I wasn't going to go in that direction.

I have done hundreds of interim construction loans for those who built their own house though.

If one requires financing to build the house then leave the banker out of any unplanned upgrade expenditures that require additional loan funds after the ink has already dried on the note and security agreement. Interim construction loan modifications are difficult to accomplish without pain and anguish for the borrower, contractor, and banker.

Make sure you budget for those "spontaneous" inspirations such as for that additional room, extended patio, pool, kitchen upgrades, or fancy chandelier prior to borrowing the money to build the house of your dreams.
 
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"Ain't that America
Home of the free, yeah
Little pink houses
For you and me"


"All the houses on the street have got a name
'Cause all the houses in the street they look the same
Same chimney pots, same little cars, same window panes."

 
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A couple of my experiences so far. Pretty obvious, but you asked for it:
1. As said above, choose an architect and a builder you trust, although they may not be the cheapest. You will never regret this.
2. Think heating and cooling in from the start. A friend of a friend in the Bahamas made an ingenious passive air cooling construction, saving money and sparing the family from noise.
3. You can never have too many AC wall outlets. But place them out of sight.
4. Put hidden empty tubes in place for speaker cables and other appliances.
5. Remember hidden CAT cables from router to mesh stations and PC's
6. In general, choose surfaces that require a minimum of maintenance. When we moved in 35 years ago, I climbed the roof to paint windows. Not any more.

Good luck!
 
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I have. Years before I had it built, I bought 1.6 acres got the property first. Bought that for 7,000 25 years later the property was worth over 80,000 with nothing on it should have bought a few more lots would have paid for the house. if it's for retirement buy the property early will save you some money. Do homework on the builder. check out more than one. Have them show you stuff there building and houses they have built. One builder was not to respectful so I checked out another. He was ex-Navy so since I was retired Navy and liked what I saw of his work and great communication since I was living in a different state and drove down a few times during construction. One piece of advice find out wind direction if it snows so you pick the right spot for driveway for less shoveling. Make sure heat outlets for central heats by all indoor sinks and laundry rooms never had a frozen pipe or had to have them drip in winter to prevent frozen pipes. Nest thermostat will save you money on heating bills. If it's for retirement one level no stairs, you get old you don't want stairs, and if you want a wood stove or fireplace have it as secondary and use propane, gas or electric as primary you get old splitting woods a pain. Building loans, the rate high but payments start low and the more the builder uses during construction the monthly payments get higher then when done the bank I was with sold it were the loan goes down to whatever the local housing loans are if you bought an already built house. Was an experience. Good luck. I did a few minor things prior to building it like putting the well in and you can put in the electrical box early to save money if its years away like it was for me. Build it the way you want it so you can grow into it if it's going to be you last house you ever live in. Sometimes I wonder why the builder wanted to build my house it was only 1200-1400 SQ FT one of the houses he was building was huge had three garage doors were an elevated car stack set up with a bar and TV in the garage Mine probably just kept his workers busy on slow days. First house I ever had a two garage and a walk-in closet and extra two bedrooms. Beat the condo with carport the only other place I ever owned and very small. Here is a photo of it not long after it was built in 2014. Another piece of advice have the main bedroom on one side of the house and other on the other side less noise that way the way I did it. Small house but cheaper to heat in winter one fill up a year for the propane tank. Only thing I wished I done metal roof the snow slides off and it would last a lifetime.
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Here is a more recent photo. Planted four Colorado spruce trees and got apple trees in the back. And put in a flagpole. Now if it's windy by you and you want a flag pole buy a solid one not sectional there a weak link went through two other sectional flagpole one lasted a week the other 3 years before a windstorm took it out. Just snowed last night dam been a long winter.
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A couple of my experiences so far. Pretty obvious, but you asked for it:
1. As said above, choose an architect and a builder you trust, although they may not be the cheapest. You will never regret this.
2. Think heating and cooling in from the start. A friend of a friend in the Bahamas made an ingenious passive air cooling construction, saving money and sparing the family from noise.
3. You can never have too many AC wall outlets. But place them out of sight.
4. Put hidden empty tubes in place for speaker cables and other appliances.
5. Remember hidden CAT cables from router to mesh stations and PC's
6. In general, choose surfaces that require a minimum of maintenance. When we moved in 35 years ago, I climbed the roof to paint windows. Not any more.

Good luck!

This reminds me that I went into my project with a heavy bias toward baseboard hydronic heating with copper pipes. If I held to my bias, it would have cost another 50K USD or more and I would still have had vents for central air and baseboard blocking the use of some space for furniture.

Eventually I was convinced that modern, combined hot air and central air systems would provide quiet, clean, efficient heat and AC and we'd end up with a better solution. No regrets.

I ended up with a high-efficiency variable speed DC motor Rheem air handling unit for the first floor of the main house in the basement and a second such unit located in the attic for the second floor. Each system has motorized dampers, so four zones in all managed by four Honeywell/Resideo remote access and programmable thermostats.

I recognized that, if I did not provide convenient access to the attic system, it would be neglected, so I added a compact drop-down "scissor" stair at the top of the second story access. I thought I had photos but can't put my fingertips on them.

Lots of outlets and hidden pre-wiring for networking though many devices ended up being wireless.

One oversight. We forgot to wire for doorbell cameras front and rear and ended up with systems that need to be charged every third month.

Andersen 400 series windows are pretty easy to maintain without getting on a ladder.
 
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When forced to make compromises to save money, never make them to the structure or "stuff" inside the walls. Finishes are easy to change later, structural things not so much.
 
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I’m part way through a build right now, so still plenty of time to make mistakes!
I guess it’s fairly obvious, but hiring a very experienced builder whom I trust has been the best move.
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Reminds me of some of my favorite books. There was a time when I wanted to be an architect, but could not handle the math. I also had an interest in filmaking (what my degree is in.) I took a lot of set design and fine arts classes. As well as architectural drawing classes. I also had a backup plan and took electronic classes.

I collected cathedrals. (Well the little paper models.) Even those took up a lot of space. One of the books is the archeological reports for the La Purisama mission. Since my cousins lived near by I would visit it often. In this state they used to teach about the missions and you would make one out of sugar cubes. Perhaps this is why I tend to like pipe organs. There is an old tale (now canceled.) about how the padres used a used crank organ to calm the natives. Playing 'the devils hornpipe.'

That old instrument still exists and probably close to 300 years old. I tracked it down once and it was in the back of a room. That mission was the subject of the film Vertigo. The two questions one hears a lot are. What happened to the tower? And 'Where is the bathroom?' Ironically the roof of the bathrooms can be seen outside the window in the trial scene. Hitchcock had a real sense of humor. Even more so as a lot of this was recreated on a sound stage.

There was a legend that the folder organ I have (which was used by the Nuns across the river) also came around the horn in a sailing ship. It really was used by the nuns, although it was made during WWI around 1914. There is a large navel base in that town. So It could have come by ship. I restored it as I always wanted a WWI chaplains organ. I have a WWII chaplains organ as well. Completes my collection and makes a nice table when folded.

The historic site I volunteered on still has an adobe. I think these date to the 1830s. Most of them have been extensively remodeled. Probably not the best materials for earthquake country, although the failure modes are well understood. Like a watch if maintained, they can last a couple hundred years.

Brick and stone construction is also not as common here. Mostly due to labor costs and the aversion to using the local natural resources. This town did have a brick kiln, so there is a bit of that sort of thing in town. A few years ago they made everyone retrofit the old buildings. So it does give a good anywhere USA vibe to the downtown. Other communities did the redevelopment thing, and the generic downtown Burbank strip mall look. Palm trees, really do not cut it 500 miles to the north.

I actually was re-plastering cracks in the wall this week. So I got interested in the old books on the Painter Vermeer. Was going to write that up but figured it was TMI and way off topic. There is a fun documentary on how someone was able to do this with mirrors done by Penn and Teller. Called 'Tim's Vermeer.' These old dutch paintings were done with lenses and mirrors, so computer graphics can replicate them easy. I always found this fascinating.
 
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I actually was re-plastering cracks in the wall this week. So I got interested in the old books on the Painter Vermeer. Was going to write that up but figured it was TMI and way off topic. There is a fun documentary on how someone was able to do this with mirrors done by Penn and Teller. Called 'Tim's Vermeer.' These old dutch paintings were done with lenses and mirrors, so computer graphics can replicate them easy. I always found this fascinating.

An interesting experiment in the technique for the curious: http://www.janepack.net/camera-obscura-project

Perhaps a bit off topic, but architecture is the queen of the arts, so still within scope.
 
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An interesting experiment in the technique for the curious: http://www.janepack.net/camera-obscura-project

Perhaps a bit off topic, but architecture is the queen of the arts, so still within scope.

Page 2 is when the threads start to drift as all arguments for or against are exhausted ...

As a bit of a Polymath (without the math.) It is all architecture. Since the thread is now in full drift territory we could drift off to musical instruments (whcih includes watches.) I got out some of my harpsichord books before bed last night. Vermeer like to paint Virginals (a form of Harpsichord associated with accomplished young women.)

The photo in the book though was not Vermeer. Instead it was attributed to Gabriel Metsu. Whom I had never heard of till I did an online search of. Turns out that before the 1870s he was considered the better artists. Known for his inclusion of cats and dogs into the still life scenes. Arguments seem to abound as the attribution of works of the two painters has swapped a bit over the centuries.

Here is the painting in question.



Always amazing that such pictures are painted with only 5 or so colors. Done with layering and transparent layers between so as to do additive color mixing (like the way slide cine film works with three colors.) These pictures also brighten in sunlight rather than fade (as do the modern petroleum waste byproduct organic based paints.)

The classical paints though are some pretty sketchy metal (mineral) oxides which are now considered some of the deadliest poisons.

I suppose it always comes down to whomever has the best marketing department as to which are beneficial and which are cheats sold by the competition as inferior products.

When I started to reply, I was going in a different direction, but forgot what it was. Crazy week. Getting and infected bug bite is not fun. Especially when one has to keep juggling all the other distractions like home maintenance. At least the cracks are patched. The garden beds are a bit more ready for planting, And more watches to work on (when I should be working on electronics.)

... and look at the pretty pictures ...
 
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@sheepdoll As you probably know, 3/4 of all known Vermeers are on display now at Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam, the most ever assembled. There have been some new imaging experiments to uncover his layering techniques and to simulate the original colors before centuries of fading. Hard to believe this master died penniless and was forgotten for centuries.

I snagged tickets for May and can't wait.
 
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@sheepdoll As you probably know, 3/4 of all known Vermeers are on display now at Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam, the most ever assembled. There have been some new imaging experiments to uncover his layering techniques and to simulate the original colors before centuries of fading. Hard to believe this master died penniless and was forgotten for centuries.

I snagged tickets for May and can't wait.

I got into Vermeer when once came to SF in the 1970s. I used it in my final for my theater arts final. Such are truly amazing in person. Reproductions do not due them justice. Although they do reproduce well.

Actually what I wanted to be in high school was a museum curator. Sadly in the 1970s this job was basically a sinecure. I did volunteer at the local national park (historic house monument) and was on the board of the local society. When I went to interview for the job at the academy of sciences/ de young. I was told I was too young. Just out of high school. (would have been fun to have organized the king tut exhibit.)

Later I discovered van Meegeren. (when researching enameled watches and dial painting.) Since everything is suspect I only have second and third hand exposure. Everything Vermeer before WWII is suspect. van Meegeren faked provenience and sales records. Part of the forger modus operandi. There was a whole section in the library related to art forgery.

Penniless is a relative term. Technically I am penniless. (well I have a few and have accidentally thrown some out.) What I do not have is cash flow. Any cash I get flows out to watches (or what ever else I fancy, like trips to European museums, where I can see stuff first hand.) As I said above, some of the rules are a form of bullying. A way to keep people in their places.

Wish they would display the mona lisa (La Giacanda) so one could see the back of the wooden panel it is on and all the prior ownership marking. As much as I would love to see the exhibition in Amsterdam. Seeing the works behind glass would be a bit of a letdown. Sadly they can not be shown any other way. At least when I was in Dresden I could see it in situ. Although that painting has been extensively 'cleaned' and no longer the painting I fell in love with. Someone did think that the putti was pornographic and over painted it. Actually most of these painting of domestic scenes were considered titillating and could cause arousal in the sexually repressed. The so called Vermeer died during a war that was fought over puritanism and representations (idolatry) of the human form. Some are itching for a rematch...

I always got a kick out of driving by the person who put stolen solar panels on the top of their homeless encampment. Gorden Moore (Moore's law) died this week. Defiantly not penniless he gave away as much of of his fortune as physically possible.

Leeuwenhoek was arguably the executor of Vermeer's estate. (If the will is not a forgery.) The mother in law owned the tavern. Fiction books make the wife into a bitch. But that is the way a lot of people are who want adulation and live through others.

I once made a comment on the Voynich manuscript (probably a forgery.) This got all sorts of attention and I was interviewed for a Canadian documentary because my comment supported someone's argument. My argument was that hairstyles on the nude figures can often date art within a decade as hair is the hardest thing to fake. Ironically some of the same players in Dutch and Prague courts of the 17th century are used in the study of the paintings they paid for. I am suspecting Kepler created a time machine and gave the keys to Einstein to keep anyone else from using it.

Mozart also died penniless. His wife did everything possible to create the myth. But what of his sister Nannerel? Edison also had a good PR department. Most people can not tell the difference between Mozart and Salieri using double blind comparison. Ironically the only thing Edison invented was the gramophone. And that by accident when the clock spring broke and the telegraph recorder played at double speed. Edison was also bit deaf as often happens to older people. Which is a bit ironic.

This week I have also been reading the book about the history of watchmaking in Japan. A lot of it seems to be about failures. This topic started with the question of building ones own home. Which is not exactly what is done. Ironically only the homeless build their own 'home.' Most of the rest of us tend to build castles in the air. (I have a copy of the fairytale. It is not one of the better known ones. The actual title is 'the invisible kingdom.')

Structural engineering is something that takes multiple people to do. Like a barn raising. This involved the community.

I used to love staring at the model of a Japanese palace in the San Francisco cultural center. The juxtaposition of 1960 brutalist mall architecture, with a perfect miniature of the past in a glass cube. I would certainly not have wanted to live under the shogunate they did however create some wonderful art. Ironically inspired by 16th century western ideas (and food.) Tempura is a Portuguese word.

Cultural isolation is an illusion.

I wonder how many who do build their dream home died penniless or have children who do not give a (colorful expletive used in other threads) about it. The smart ones probably do rent it out, with deferred maintenance. Is extortion(usury) really illegal? Or simply another way of driving over the speed limit to get there five microseconds sooner?
 
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Budget and expect those plans to be stretched quite a bit …. Budget especially means BOTH time, and money. Getting permits was my Achilles heel tbh …. That took us way more time than anticipated. Way more time to get permits

Remember, you will get what you pay for. No cutting corners if you value your sanity and happiness.
 
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Budget and expect those plans to be stretched quite a bit …. Budget especially means BOTH time, and money. Getting permits was my Achilles heel tbh …. That took us way more time than anticipated. Way more time to get permits

Remember, you will get what you pay for. No cutting corners if you value your sanity and happiness.

I needed two building permits, a couple of small zoning variances and the approval of the local architectural review board, which I refer to as the Ayatollahs of Architecture.

A good local architect will know what approvals are needed and in the case of zoning variance, I hired a local attorney who is one of three who appear before the ARB and the Zoning Board of Appeals at just about every monthly meeting. Small municipalities in my area meet once a month, so getting in the queue is important . . . and one may have to revise plans a couple times and come back for another go around once or twice which was true for my project and adds months to the front end.

Cheers,

Joe