None of that subdial stuff bothers me, not even all that discussion about the new Carrelli being too close together making me crosseyed. I love the EP movement, it is really is that good. I love looking at all the old Zeniths, heck, I bought Rosslers book just to look at pics! LOL. As far as the new Zeniths go, I don't use them as intended from 1969. If I need to time something I use my iPhone, I mean really? It's 2019. BUT I occasionally push the pushers just to feel clicks... because it's fun. Nutty, I know. The Zeniths do wear well and are exceptionally comfortable. When I consider buying a watch (NOT that I'm right, it's just my thought pattern) I first look at aesthetics (I must love the way it looks or why bother), then brand (reputation, quality, reliability, etc), then I look at if I like (like, trust, etc.) the movement. Then (if its a used watch) condition. Condition must be up there. Everyone has their own methodology, but this is mine. All things must check out for me to buy. Zeniths are great watches, accurate, well timed, and well built. However, most of the new models lose me on aesthetics so I'm out on them, not to say they aren't good watches, but the new designs don't appeal to me. The "open hearts" are ugly to me. I've never liked Defy aesthetics either, even though I accept it's a good watch. In the new Zeniths, I like the ones that look like the old ones. But, then I've always been a little backwards! just my .02 worth.