What would have made the Trilogy absolutely perfect for you?

Kazyole · Mar 24, 2017

STANDY
So all the people on the waiting list for the Speedy Tuesday LE is not a indication of how popular Omega is nowdays

2012 is not enough 😲
3557 is too many 😲
Tough to be a luxury brand

Golden rule with anything, as @Archer has said many times and I agree.

You like it, buy it. You don't like it don't buy it.

Could have gone with 2913, 2914, and 2915. That way the LE number on the caseback is the same as the original reference number. And just do numbers 1-250 or whatever as boxed sets

eugeneandresson · Mar 25, 2017

corn18
Let's do the math:

Trilogy sets

557 x $21600 = $12.0M

LE of the other 3

3557 x 3 x $6500 (average) = $69.3M

Total deposits = $82.1M

I'd like to earn the interest on that while we wait for our watches. @ 1% APR for 3 months, that's about $203k of interest.

Sorry folks, but I did not have to pay 100% deposit (at Omega Flagship Store) to reserve. And I am just an ordinary Joe, not a 'special client' or anything. Not sure why or what everybody is going on about...

imagwai · Mar 25, 2017

eugeneandresson
Sorry folks, but I did not have to pay 100% deposit (at Omega Flagship Store) to reserve. And I am just an ordinary Joe, not a 'special client' or anything. Not sure why or what everybody is going on about...

Yeah, isn't the full deposit just for the triple box set? And even that may not apply absolutely everywhere.

tyrantlizardrex · Mar 25, 2017

A few thoughts:

I think the non trilogy issue watches should have been 1957 units of each watch - it's better to sell everything you have, at full retail, quickly, than to have the 2998 situation again - arguably, there shouldn't be Basel LE's from 2017 sat in dealers come Basel 2018.

All of the watches should have been manual wind.

A 321 would have been cool in the Speedmaster.

On to the The trilogy - it just isn't special enough.

The writing on the dials is an abomination.

You get some extra packaging, and some straps... but so what?

And 557 pieces?

Making it special, make it something you can't build yourself.

57 Gold

19 Platinum

Done.

I'll caveat all this by saying that I am not a customer for these products... but I think a trick was missed.

Archer · Mar 25, 2017

M'Bob
I wonder if Archer can provide those great pictures of what Oddboy looks like without regular service. You know, those great macro shots. With that finger rubbery thing on.

Last time he was in the shop, he looked fine. Sorry I didn't take any photos of him...macro or otherwise. The fact you are asking for them is kinda creepy - just sayin'

M'Bob · Mar 25, 2017

Archer
The fact you are asking for them is kinda creepy - just sayin'

I always seem to be attracted to the oddgirl, but my kids tell me I should keep an open mind...

watchtinker · Mar 25, 2017

At this level of price a chronometer grade 1861 with a high standard of refiniment, as the old 861L, adjusted to 5 positions and with 19 jewels, which equipped the reference BA 345.0802 in the Eighties, would have been appreciated. 😉

LemansBoiler · Mar 25, 2017

I'm fine with an LE marking on the face. Would've liked to see a watch case and band like they did with the latest/greatest movement they had on the shelf (manual wind of course), to make it a modern watch. But then add 1957 face and lume tech. This would be a nod to the vintage craze without selling out with a faux lume.

To make it special, include a display case to let the owner age it on their own to a tropical dial and yellow lume.

Jaacck · Mar 26, 2017

sensui
For me really it was just the trilogy # on the dial (tramp mark, tombstone, whatever you guys want to call it). I ordered all 3 separately instead with requested preferences on #'s. Hoping I did it early enough to line up 3 of the same to create my own matched trilogy set. The extras would have been nice.....but at the end of the day I'm wearing the watch, no the box or the leather carrier for straps/tools.

this seems to be the way forward and is what I would have done if I had a spare 20k ;D

padders · Mar 26, 2017

All good points but manual wind SM300? The original was automatic so why 'downgrade*' it thus? Indeed while the series production Railmasters had manual wind movements, the 'Railroad approved' ones apparently used auto movements so that too can be justified. The dial text is a big fail and will mean that the sets may decorate dealers windows for the foreseeable future unless some serious price cutting occurs.

*I realise that there are many who will take issue with the idea that a man wind is inferior to auto for many valid reasons.

tyrantlizardrex
A few thoughts:

I think the non trilogy issue watches should have been 1957 units of each watch - it's better to sell everything you have, at full retail, quickly, than to have the 2998 situation again - arguably, there shouldn't be Basel LE's from 2017 sat in dealers come Basel 2018.

All of the watches should have been manual wind.

A 321 would have been cool in the Speedmaster.

On to the The trilogy - it just isn't special enough.

The writing on the dials is an abomination.

You get some extra packaging, and some straps... but so what?

And 557 pieces?

Making it special, make it something you can't build yourself.

57 Gold

19 Platinum

Done.

I'll caveat all this by saying that I am not a customer for these products... but I think a trick was missed.

tyrantlizardrex · Mar 26, 2017

Good point @padders - my bad... let the autos be autos.

autumnwind · Mar 26, 2017

It is just so strange and contradictory on how Omega emphasized their great efforts to re-create the original look, but somehow thought sticking on LE numbers on the dial would elevate it further. I just don't understand it and reactions online have understandably been one of disbelief. But I guess some have also pointed out the dial wordings on the silver snoopy and that has done well....

speedolex · Mar 26, 2017

I'm a huge Speedmaster fan, been waiting since 1998 and my Replica edition for Omega to get a 2915 homage correct, very disappointed that the case on the 60th LE is so wide, has twisted lugs, and still looks too much like the modern version.

A straight-lug Speedmaster should have straight lugs.

speedolex · Mar 26, 2017

Livesimply11
What...

^ In the image above, the original straight-lug Speedmaster case is on the right, you can see how the case is perfectly symmetrical on the left/right sides, there is no crown guard protruding under the pushers, and the bezel overhangs the case. Puts the emphasis on the watch face/dial and not the case.

^ In the image above, the original straight-lug Speedmaster case is on the left, you can see just how tight and elegant the case is as it disappears under the bezel. The modern twisted-lug Speedmaster case on the right, appearing since 1965 through today, bellows out, twists and curves, and puts the emphasis on the case itself, it's a very different look.

After Omega put such attention to the hands and bracelet, they should have done the same for the case. It's not an homage to the original case. It's a slightly different compromise on the modern case. They shouldn't have allowed this.

speedolex · Mar 26, 2017

Livesimply11
Oh, maybe I just read it wrong. The rerelease from Basel this year of the 2915 is spot-on to the original case, so I thought you were referring to something different. My fault.

No, you are reading it right. The rerelease from Basel this year of the 2915 60th case is not spot-on to the original case. That's precisely the point I am making.

Please compare the images in this post of the Basel 2915 introduced this week to the photos I posted above showing the original straight-lug case and the latter twisted-lug case. You'll see that the Basel 2915 60th has a symmetrical case (same amount of steel on both sides and no crown guards) which is good, but the lugs are twisted and curved (you can see the articulation in the shadows at 4:30 and 7:30 which bend markedly inwards) which is bad.

I have no idea why Omega chose to do this. The attention to detail on the dial, hands, bracelet....great job. But the case? The element that defines the width and bulk on the wrist? Why did they keep the lugs twisted instead of straight like the original? That's my issue and that's what makes the trilogy imperfect.

speedolex · Mar 26, 2017

Livesimply11
OH. Sorry it took me a while to catch on, but I see the point you're making now. Never really noticed that, but I guess for me that was just a small detail I overlooked because I just figured, "eh, straight lugs? Good enough for me." I don't really mind it, but I know it bothers a few people.

No worries, it's not very obvious in the few photos that have been put online.

The reason I am so sensitive to this is pictured above, that's my 1998 Omega "Replica" 1957 Speedmaster which made me really happy except for- you guessed it- another bombe case with twisted lugs. The FOIS looked like a step in the right direction, in fact I almost bought one to 'merge' with my '57 to make a homage with a reasonably straight case. I've been waiting 20 years for Omega to finally get this right and reissue a CK2915 with the right case.

Anyway, I love several things about the 60th- the bracelet is amazing for one. But how could they, again, do a 1957 reproduction and miss the most important difference between the vintage and modern designs? Mind boggling.

lhawli · Mar 26, 2017

What about the rail markers for the minutes on the Railmaster? Dial seems extremely similar to the Seamaster!

Example below (not from Omega).

ReturnOfUltraman · Mar 26, 2017

speedolex

No worries, it's not very obvious in the few photos that have been put online.

The reason I am so sensitive to this is pictured above, that's my 1998 Omega "Replica" 1957 Speedmaster which made me really happy except for- you guessed it- another bombe case with twisted lugs. The FOIS looked like a step in the right direction, in fact I almost bought one to 'merge' with my '57 to make a homage with a reasonably straight case. I've been waiting 20 years for Omega to finally get this right and reissue a CK2915 with the right case.

Anyway, I love several things about the 60th- the bracelet is amazing for one. But how could they, again, do a 1957 reproduction and miss the most important difference between the vintage and modern designs? Mind boggling.

Yeah I had the FOIS THREE times but that sapphire always bothered me each time, but I always went back to it. Now with the new 2915, it's basically perfectly in my eyes. Give a little, take a little I suppose.

Rman · Mar 26, 2017

What would make the trilogy perfect for me would be an OmegaForums discount of 50%. That seems unlikely though.

LeoneFM · Mar 26, 2017

That Trilogy set is probably a good marketing differentiation for lovers like us, but probably I would prefer having three different watches, I prefer the grafic of Dial too.
The glass shoulded definetely be Hesalite :-(

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