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Hoping to find some info on this. I’m assuming it’s not original because I’m having trouble finding anything like it. It’s in Turkey 🤔. It’s listed as a 30T2 movement but looks like a 30T2SCrg to me but I’ve admittedly only seen one example. The caseback also has a series of numbers that doesn’t google to any specific reference. As I write out all my doubts it makes me pretty sure it’s a mess even with my limited knowledge, but it looks cool.

Any help is appreciated.
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The seconds hand seems a stylistic mismatch for the hour and minute hands (seconds hand is too stubby, too short fo that minute hand). The minute hand lume DOES look like Radium to me though, which jives with the pre-tritium lack of T markings on the dial.

The dial itself looks a little to modern for the watch and the Omega logo looks like it's from the late 60's era of styling to my eye.

If I had to guess, I'd go with a 1960's era restoration in a country that still used radium to lume hands at that time - like, say, Turkey?

This is only my opinion based on supposition though - I have never seen that exact watch style before.
 
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The seconds hand seems a stylistic mismatch for the hour and minute hands (seconds hand is too stubby, too short fo that minute hand). The minute hand lume DOES look like Radium to me though, which jives with the pre-tritium lack of T markings on the dial.

The dial itself looks a little to modern for the watch and the Omega logo looks like it's from the late 60's era of styling to my eye.

If I had to guess, I'd go with a 1960's era restoration in a country that still used radium to lume hands at that time - like, say, Turkey?

This is only my opinion based on supposition though - I have never seen that exact watch style before.
Thoughts on the mvmt?
 
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Sorry, you need a watchmaker familiar with 30T2 variants to comment, I would not be able to tell them apart from a photo.
 
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Dial - Fantasy redial

Hands - Moon style, should have no lume, could be original to the watch.

Movement - Looks like a run of the mill 30T2SC.

Numbers inside case back is a case serial number, not to be confused with a movement serial number (they aren't supposed to match).

Collector value - Nil

Photo below is an rg.

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Dial - Fantasy redial

Hands - Moon style, should have no lume, could be original to the watch.

Movement - Looks like a run of the mill 30T2SC.

Numbers inside case back is a case serial number, not to be confused with a movement serial number (they aren't supposed to match).

Collector value - Nil

Photo below is an rg.

lomegargm01.jpg
So what is the best method for searching for examples for comparison for 30T2’s?
 
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So what is the best method for searching for examples for comparison for 30T2’s?

Not sure what you mean by comparison, there are 100s if not 1000s of dial, case, hand combinations for watches with the 30T2 movement.
 
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It is very simple:

IMO it is a correct ref. 2242 (civilian version, hence only 16J, the Techron would require 18J) with a totally wrongly restored dial - and most probably the second hand is also a wrong replacement. - the rest of the watch looks legitimate
 
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Not sure what you mean by comparison, there are 100s if not 1000s of dial, case, hand combinations for watches with the 30T2 movement.
Typically if I’m looking at a watch for potential purchase I scour pictures of examples of the same reference for comparison to try do determine originality. How do you determine if any particular example is original when there are a multitude of executions?
 
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It is very simple:

IMO it is a correct ref. 2242 (civilian version, hence only 16J, the Techron would require 18J) with a totally wrongly restored dial - and most probably the second hand is also a wrong replacement. - the rest of the watch looks legitimate
A similarly themed but original dial would look something like this?
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A similarly themed but original dial would look something like this?
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Yes, this is one known version but there are several others, just google Omega ref. 2242... don´t focus too much on the dial - what is much more important is the correct case and movement for the repective reference and matching movement and case serial numbers (at least in early watches like your´s, in younger SS watches there was no case serial number but just a "case number" often referred to as reference number). However, it is different with gold watches, they kept their case serial numbers.
 
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hick8711 hick8711
So what is the best method for searching for examples for comparison for 30T2’s?
Research, search this forum. Look at a few hundred watches. Ask nicely as to any questions after you start researching.

there is no instant learn on these.
 
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...Photo below is an rg.

lomegargm01.jpg
Polite ignoramus question, please no flamers - so, some RGs have on a bridge the rubric "Adjusted Five Positions..." etc - but, not all? What's the rationale there, pls?
 
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Polite ignoramus question, please no flamers - so, some RGs have on a bridge the rubric "Adjusted Five Positions..." etc - but, not all? What's the rationale there, pls?
That is on the chronometer rated pieces. Not all have that. So if thats on the diial then the movement will have that in some movement families they have slightly different caliber numbers. So you need to check that as well. Lots of cobblers together pieces out there.
 
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Polite ignoramus question, please no flamers - so, some RGs have on a bridge the rubric "Adjusted Five Positions..." etc - but, not all? What's the rationale there, pls?

There is no rationale with some things Omega, just the way it is. There are plenty of RG chronometers without the "adjusted" markings, perhaps even more without than with.

This is a great and detailed read about the 30mm chronometers.

http://squelettewatches.com/chronometres-30mm/
 
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There is no rationale with some things Omega, just the way it is. There are plenty of RG chronometers without the "adjusted" markings, perhaps even more without than with.

This is a great and detailed read about the 30mm chronometers.

http://squelettewatches.com/chronometres-30mm/
Thanks, exactly my problem! I have tried to study the wisdom of both Franco and mac_omega, and thought I must just have been a poor student. So it sounds like there's no substitute for looking carefully for the RG "tells"... 🙁🙄
Very grateful for your friendly advice - maybe I'll capture something and post it here one fine day!
 
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Sorry, still chewing my pencil over this... (I blame Hick for disturbing my slumber) -
We expect on a RG dial to see "CHRONOMÈTRE" on the top line, then "OMEGA" after that, just underneath, because that's the way the French language normally puts things. In e.g. English or German, we would write, this is an "Omega Chronometer", but it's natural for a French-speaking outfit to say here is a "Chronometre Omega".
So here's the punch - are there any RG dials at large that say "OMEGA", then "CHRONOMÈTRE" below? Maybe because a non-chronometer dial had been re-purposed at a late stage by the factory?
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And while I'm busy dancing on this pinhead, do any of them say "CHRONOMETRE" i.e. without the accent on the first "E"?
Thank you for listening!
 
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Sorry, still chewing my pencil over this... (I blame Hick for disturbing my slumber) -
We expect on a RG dial to see "CHRONOMÈTRE" on the top line, then "OMEGA" after that, just underneath, because that's the way the French language normally puts things. In e.g. English or German, we would write, this is an "Omega Chronometer", but it's natural for a French-speaking outfit to say here is a "Chronometre Omega".
So here's the punch - are there any RG dials at large that say "OMEGA", then "CHRONOMÈTRE" below? Maybe because a non-chronometer dial had been re-purposed at a late stage by the factory?
😕
And while I'm busy dancing on this pinhead, do any of them say "CHRONOMETRE" i.e. without the accent on the first "E"?
Thank you for listening!

May I recommend the reference book about 30mm Omega Chronometers which I published recently - this will answer all your questions...😉
 
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