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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFThere are more of these dials around, seen them on ebay floating loose too but no idea what the story behind them is:
What have we got here Omega Speedmaster 105.003 65
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SpikiSpikester
··@ ΩFThe odds of my hair regrowing overnight are better.
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··Steve @ ΩF
Nope, too powerful. You remember he tried that earlier (bigfoot thing).
Squirrel facepalm
Squirrel facepalm
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sulaco
·I am actually not implying anything at all i am just not satisfied with the fact when somebody is saying "thats no original dial".
Service dial is what i was thinking of too, but how old i must be from the early 70ties when they still used panpie style dials!
Everything else makes no sense
Service dial is what i was thinking of too, but how old i must be from the early 70ties when they still used panpie style dials!
Everything else makes no sense
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sulaco
·I added some more close up photos of the writing and the applied logo, also i received a letter from the former owner in which he states that he bought the watch in 1966 but he can´t recall that the watch had undergone a massive restauration.
i would really love to know from which era this service dial could be.
i would really love to know from which era this service dial could be.
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·Another question i have is, when i search for the parts i need to bring it back into "original" condition, does the bezel have the same dimensions
as the one from a 105.012, 145.012 or 145.022 or is it smaller in diameter?
Thanks
as the one from a 105.012, 145.012 or 145.022 or is it smaller in diameter?
Thanks
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rolexfantastic
·I still think this dial is an original 60's or at least close period T Swiss Made T service dial.
According to books, Omega already issued such dials in late 60's...
cal. 861
cal. 321
cal. 861
I don't have the time to go through the rest now, but my opinion is your dial is original. If not 60's then short after service dial...
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According to books, Omega already issued such dials in late 60's...
cal. 861
cal. 321
cal. 861
I don't have the time to go through the rest now, but my opinion is your dial is original. If not 60's then short after service dial...
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SpikiSpikester
··@ ΩFAs you're using Isnardi as a reference there, you should look at the section on dial scripts at the back. That will make it clear that the scripts do not conform to the scripts on the 105.003 dials & are the same as were used after 1966.
A late 60's service dial is still therefore the most likely explanation. And yes, that is a dial "originally supplied" by Omega - but not the dial original to the watch reference.
A late 60's service dial is still therefore the most likely explanation. And yes, that is a dial "originally supplied" by Omega - but not the dial original to the watch reference.
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Kringkily
··Omega Collector / HunterYeah but where has it ever been that type of marker for a pre-professional print dial...just doesn't exist as that is from a late 60's after applied logo era and was made for the 861 production...
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··@ ΩFGood point George. I don't think I've ever seen a pre-pro service dial with an applied logo.
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sulaco
·As you're using Isnardi as a reference there, you should look at the section on dial scripts at the back. That will make it clear that the scripts do not conform to the scripts on the 105.003 dials & are the same as were used after 1966.
A late 60's service dial is still therefore the most likely explanation. And yes, that is a dial "originally supplied" by Omega - but not the dial original to the watch reference.
But from my point of view its still better as a modern SL Service dial, you dont see them too often. I googled throu 105.003 pictures and didn´t find one watch it such a dial.
Wonder if the new Speedmaster book will cover that too
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sulaco
·Yeah but where has it ever been that type of marker for a pre-professional print dial...just doesn't exist as that is from a late 60's after applied logo era and was made for the 861 production...
so would it help to see the backside of the dial? that way we could see if the logo is just glued or riveted
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·the point why i am so insisting is very simple, its a first owner watch bought from a 80 year old man, not one of those flippers that come up on ebay so often, i doubt that the seller was trying to rip me off or was messing around with this watch in any way.
So i am just curious here
So i am just curious here
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··Omega Collector / HunterI mean don't get me wrong as I have overlooked items before and recently started to get into vintage Speedies but I literally scan through hundreds if not thousands of Speedmasters a year looking for pieces to acquire and from all the original ones I've seen this goes against everything that I know so far. Could I be wrong? maybe but chances are very, very slim...
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··Omega Collector / Hunterthe point why i am so insisting is very simple, its a first owner watch bought from a 80 year old man, not one of those flippers that come up on ebay so often, i doubt that the seller was trying to rip me off or was messing around with this watch in any way.
So i am just curious here
I don't doubt it but if the original owner just not a watch man then if something was changed during his servicing and time of ownership he may not have noticed it compared to a collector. You have to understand that most original owners don't really pay attention to the little things such as a collector and often just sell their valuable pieces to pawnshops or dealers for pennies on the dollar
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sulaco
·luckily pawnshops are pretty rare here in Germany, thats why i got i directly from him. I am not saying that this dial was originally on this watch when it was produced, but i am pretty interested when it found its way to it. 😉
Additionally it makes me curious if he really bought it 66 because its serial number is 3599 units higher as the one of my 145.012.
and this one was made 1968 according to the extract 😵💫
Additionally it makes me curious if he really bought it 66 because its serial number is 3599 units higher as the one of my 145.012.
and this one was made 1968 according to the extract 😵💫
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MSNWatch
··Vintage Omega AficionadoI too am unaware of this combination existing as an original omega dial: these shortened lume markers, no "professional" on the dial and tritium. So I would say this is either a dial that has been altered in some way or a dial that was not an omega original. If it is indeed an early service dial then it is from the very early 1970s.
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··Steve @ ΩFAnother question i have is, when i search for the parts i need to bring it back into "original" condition, does the bezel have the same dimensions
as the one from a 105.012, 145.012 or 145.022 or is it smaller in diameter?
Thanks
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rolexfantastic
·As you're using Isnardi as a reference there, you should look at the section on dial scripts at the back. That will make it clear that the scripts do not conform to the scripts on the 105.003 dials & are the same as were used after 1966.
A late 60's service dial is still therefore the most likely explanation. And yes, that is a dial "originally supplied" by Omega - but not the dial original to the watch reference.
I'm not arguing it should be on a 105.003 from factory, i just wanted to point out Omega used such dials in the 60's. Even if it's a service dial, it's lovely, worth keeping, no questions about that.
Yeah but where has it ever been that type of marker for a pre-professional print dial...just doesn't exist as that is from a late 60's after applied logo era and was made for the 861 production...
Short markers on 321 exist. The white dial Appolo it's a 321 cal -68 ref.
One of the arguments Omega issued 321 late 68 or after, 321 remaining stocks with both printed and applied logos dials.
