What Have I Bought - 1st Post, Drunken Purchase

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Hello folks

I'm a long-term lurker, having decided a while back that a usable vintage watch was something I would like to own, to be used (potentially) as a daily. My usual Ebay UK search is for mechanical Omegas sorting by lowest price first. I then discard those which don't catch my eye, look like too much work, or simply aren't in my budget.

I spotted a cheap one recently. However, upon closer inspection, too many things weren't right with it. I know little to nothing about what to look for, but my layman's observations were as follows;

The hands are wrong. The minute hand (at least) has been replaced or is maybe even broken.
The unsigned crown is a replacement.
The watch is rough in general, with a 'ding' in the case, opposite the crown.
The 166.041 case wouldn't have come with a 601 movement (22078594 1965 year)?
The De Ville dial wouldn't have come with the 166.041 (Geneve?) case?
Would gold hands and indices have come with a gold case?
The strap is a replacement.

So, this one was discounted from my search. Fast forward a couple of weeks, and drunken me submits an offer, expecting it to be refused. It was accepted almost immediately 😀
So what have I bought, and is it worth doing anything to? I popped it on my timegrapher, and it clearly needs some work. There are a few other defects which weren't visible in the advert photos, such as the chapter ring type-thing, being split.
 
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By the time you overcome the obvious problems, and then delve into the not so obvious problems, and set aside trying to do anything about the rust, you’ll have a watch that likely will never please you because you’ll have more into it than it’s worth. Call it a lesson learned. Parts bin would be a good place for it.
 
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Well, that has a few issues certainly...

Movement needs service and has had moisture inside.

Wrong movement for the case.

Enlargement ring looks to be butchered up and maybe from another watch.

Hands as you mention...

On the bright side, the tension ring in the crystal is supposed to be split, so that just need to be put back correctly.

Will cost far more to put right than it's worthy, unless you are doing the work yourself. Even then, if many parts are needed you might be under water.
 
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I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination. But an additional observations: The hands do not only seem out of place, the seem to be at an angle in respect to the dial. So I gues there was an attempt to shoehorn the dial on to a different case and movement.

I fear that it will probably take quite an investment to make a working watch out of this. First because the movement might need extensive work, second because you'll need a fitting dial and hands. Then again, it will definitely be unique if you do. But as I said, I'm no expert. So I will be happy to be corrected.
 
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I like the way that someone half-heartedly attempted to remove 'Automatic' from the dial to help match with the hand wound movement. Class. 😁
 
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Thanks for the replies everyone. They've confirmed my thoughts. I might give the case a bit of a spruce up, and if I'm feeling really energetic, I'll strip the movement and clean the parts. Alternatively, I'll stick it in the basement along will all the other drunk purchases and random car parts!
 
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Thanks for the replies everyone. They've confirmed my thoughts. I might give the case a bit of a spruce up, and if I'm feeling really energetic, I'll strip the movement and clean the parts. Alternatively, I'll stick it in the basement along will all the other drunk purchases and random car parts!

I like this guy! 😁
 
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The only thing I can see missing from this watch is 2 bolts sticking out of its neck 😁
 
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I like this guy! 😁

How can you ~not~ like the Sausage King of Chicago?! 😎


@AbeFroman - not much more to be said besides what some of the others have posted here. Only question I have is what spirit were you enjoying that lead you to make the offer on this time piece?
 
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How can you ~not~ like the Sausage King of Chicago?! 😎


@AbeFroman - not much more to be said besides what some of the others have posted here. Only question I have is what spirit were you enjoying that lead you to make the offer on this time piece?

My memory of the evening in question is a little hazy, but I believe I was consuming nothing more hefty than IPA.

My main take from this exercise is, that despite correctly identifying numerous issues, I was still able to complete the deal. That means there's nothing I won't buy! Currently browsing for a record player/turntable. Let's see what I end up with 😀

Thanks again guys.
 
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Currently browsing for a record player/turntable. Let's see what I end up with 😀
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Nice project watch 👍

Oh, and I think I found you a record player 😉:

 
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Don't feel bad mate. Most collectors I know, including me, have gone wild bidding during a binge. I remember bidding double the value on a watch and then somebody ended up outbidding me. I was lucky, but then it made me wonder what they had to drink that night...
 
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By the time you overcome the obvious problems, and then delve into the not so obvious problems, and set aside trying to do anything about the rust, you’ll have a watch that likely will never please you because you’ll have more into it than it’s worth. Call it a lesson learned. Parts bin would be a good place for it.

☝ Ignore this at your peril.
 
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Yep, a Rega Planar would suit my needs perfectly. I've gone about this in my usual way, purchasing records with no player to play them on! I have inherited (stolen) my dad's lovely sounding Audiolab 8000 amp. He has some nice floor standing speakers that are cluttering up his house too...
 
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☝ Ignore this at your peril.
Yeah, very sound advice indeed. My search will continue (sober), and I think I will add some filters to my decision making process!
 
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Yep, a Rega Planar would suit my needs perfectly. I've gone about this in my usual way, purchasing records with no player to play them on! I have inherited (stolen) my dad's lovely sounding Audiolab 8000 amp. He has some nice floor standing speakers that are cluttering up his house too...

Yep, Rega Planar is the way to go 👍 - I’ve set up and worked on hundreds of these, they sound great and are easy to set up and maintain
 
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Yep, Rega Planar is the way to go 👍 - I’ve set up and worked on hundreds of these, they sound great and are easy to set up and maintain
That's good to hear! I'm going at this from a budget perspective. Not being an aficionado, would I notice any real difference going for the plain and simple 1 vs the 2? It's easy to let simple plans escalate!
 
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That's good to hear! I'm going at this from a budget perspective. Not being an aficionado, would I notice any real difference going for the plain and simple 1 vs the 2? It's easy to let simple plans escalate!

The 1 is fine (and all you’ll need if the Audiolab amp has a phono stage). The turntable comes with a cartridge (which should be fitted by the retailer), so the main difference between the 1 and 2 is the tonearm (slightly better on the 2) and the platter (1 has a resin/plastic platter while the 2 has the classic glass platter).

I started with a 2 then upgraded to a 3 (in lime green!) a year or so later, but that was many moons ago when the 1 wasn’t around.