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what do you think of this vintage seamaster
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marmar
·Unfortunately, I do not have a picture of the mechanism...
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·Dial looks redone. Bracelet is a beads or rice.
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·Repainted dial, soft case.
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·Why do you treat collectors here like a bunch of fortune tellers ? How would we know? Ask the Auction house all questions. And come back here with your own research and then we might guide you. The value of a repainted dial plummets the watch value around 50%.
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marmar
·That's a little harsh. I tried to do my own research with all the vintage omega databases, watches for sale etc, but when one does not have experience there is only so much one can understand. As in other fields people counted on my generosity and willingness to share my expertise, i was hoping for some help. I guess Omega collectors are very busy people.
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·It is written here 1000's of times. There are "sticky" threads here about that. Pls. Read that. Omega collection is not a guessing game. Everything, I repeat, everything you need to know, is INSIDE the watch. Movement numbers on the movement, any other model ID numbers are inside the case back. That is where your answer are. Not outside, the repainted dial, the hands and so on . Inside the case. Get that info and you get all the help you need. Everything else is Fortune Telling..... Guessing games.....
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marmar
·yes, sir!
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·OP, watchyouwant’s response may be a bit harsh, but it is born of frustration and he is telling it like it is. Dan S has already given you the executive summary: it’s a watch with a repainted dial and an overpolished case. As such, not a collectible example. We can’t tell you anything more without seeing photos of the movement and the inside of the case back. That information (caliber number, case reference and serial number) would also enable you to do more of your own research. Hope this helps.
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marmar
·OP, watchyouwant’s response may be a bit harsh, but it is born of frustration and he is telling it like it is. Dan S has already given you the executive summary: it’s a watch with a repainted dial and an overpolished case. As such, not a collectible example. We can’t tell you anything more without seeing photos of the movement and the inside of the case back. That information (caliber number, case reference and serial number) would also enable you to do more of your own research. Hope this helps.
This, like some of the previous comments, helps. I did not realize that the dial was repainted (now seems obvious) or the case polished. I understand that you cannot guess the inside, but this info were helpful. Sometimes knowing a lot makes people intolerant to ignorance. Lets just remember that we all are knowledgeable in some small areas and ignorant in countless others. there is nothing wrong is asking for help. Anyhow, thank you for your time.
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·Hello OP, and welcome. I think a good learning point is that few auctioneers publish photos that are good enough to make informed decisions with - and the zone where judgement is needed to decide how much to pay for something that is not very good is the most difficult area of all. Sometimes it's best to study what "good" looks like, then hold out until it comes along. You may feel differently, but I would not part with any level of money for that particular watch and feel I had done well. Regardless of reference, year, movement, etc, the sloppiness of the lettering and the hour/minute marking on the dial would displease me every time I looked at it, and I would long for my money back. And, as remarked above, the case has lost its wow-factor too - so even if the auction gives it away (plus buyer premium, of course), you will soon want something different. Good luck with the hunt!
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marmar
·Thank you so much. I see all that now. just i did not see it before buying it. the first steps of learning are often painful. and so it is.
thanks again.
thanks again.
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··Sunburst dial fanWelcome to the forum.
As you’ll have seen from other threads, we get a fair few enquiries like yours, sometimes even from established members but you must have had doubts or suspicions already, otherwise you wouldn’t have felt any need to join OF and post this thread.
So, as @watchyouwant posited, it might have been helpful to you and us if you’d shared those concerns in your initial question and also told us where the auction is, the details provided by the auction house/seller and the asking or estimated price.
If I can put it nicely, keeping such details to yourself (and comparing our responses to what you already know or suspect) does make it a guessing game from our perspective.
As you’ll have seen from other threads, we get a fair few enquiries like yours, sometimes even from established members but you must have had doubts or suspicions already, otherwise you wouldn’t have felt any need to join OF and post this thread.
So, as @watchyouwant posited, it might have been helpful to you and us if you’d shared those concerns in your initial question and also told us where the auction is, the details provided by the auction house/seller and the asking or estimated price.
If I can put it nicely, keeping such details to yourself (and comparing our responses to what you already know or suspect) does make it a guessing game from our perspective.
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·Sorry to hear that you purchased it. From your first post, I inferred that you were considering it, but had not yet purchased it.
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marmar
·Thank you for your reply. yes, i had concerns, but I was just not sure. my eye is not trained enough yet to judge repainted dials, non-matching dials and hands, wrong crowns etc. I have been interested only in new watches so far.
I did not withhold any info, as the auction house house did not give any (i know already suspicious), and it is an auction called Napoleon in Florida that does not specialized in watches at all. I paid $350.
I did not withhold any info, as the auction house house did not give any (i know already suspicious), and it is an auction called Napoleon in Florida that does not specialized in watches at all. I paid $350.
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·In the future, feel free to post photos before purchasing. Since the bracelet is worth almost $200, you are probably ok on the price. In your place, I'd probably hold onto the bracelet, and put the watch in a no-reserve auction on eBay, and put the proceeds towards something better.
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true, but i did buy it.
Thank you so much Dan S. this is the kind of help i was hoping for. Very kind of you. I will stick with collecting and learning about Omega, in spite of my mistake and the rough welcome received.
true, but i did buy it.
In the future, feel free to post photos before purchasing. Since the bracelet is worth almost $200, you are probably ok on the price. In your place, I'd probably hold onto the bracelet, and put the watch in a no-reserve auction on eBay, and put the proceeds towards something better.
Thank you so much Dan S. this is the kind of help i was hoping for. Very kind of you. I will stick with collecting and learning about Omega, in spite of my mistake and the rough welcome received.
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paddymoran
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One piece of advice I’d give is to take your time. Don’t rush into a purchase. No doubt most of us have watches that we regret buying - don’t fear missing out!!
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Spruce
··Sunburst dial fanThank you for your reply. yes, i had concerns, but I was just not sure. my eye is not trained enough yet to judge repainted dials, non-matching dials and hands, wrong crowns etc. I have been interested only in new watches so far.
I did not withhold any info, as the auction house house did not give any (i know already suspicious), and it is an auction called Napoleon in Florida that does not specialized in watches at all. I paid $350.
TBH, at $350 I don’t think you did at all badly, given the value and condition of the bracelet.
In your situation, I’d wear it as it is for the time being and, at some stage in the future, once you know what you’re doing and have a nicer watch, keep the bracelet and sell on the head as @Dan S suggests
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MtV
·In the future, feel free to post photos before purchasing. Since the bracelet is worth almost $200, you are probably ok on the price. In your place, I'd probably hold onto the bracelet, and put the watch in a no-reserve auction on eBay, and put the proceeds towards something better.
Careful though: There's a huge gap between the endlinks and the lugs. If that's a case with 18mm lug width, which would've been my assumption, they're either very bent - which I doubt - or the endlinks were filed down, reducing the value of the bracelet significantly.
Oh, and the crown is indeed incorrect, but if it's a flat foot example, it'll be worth more than the clover crown that it should likely have. 😀
Of course, not overly relevant, those two points, as it still is what it is.
