What do you make of this case....

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I wonder if UG ever played with the idea of watches for left-handed people? They might have produced a case which could have been drilled through for placing the crown on either side.
Just a thought.

I'd suggest they turn the case 180 degrees instead of drilling an extra hole... 😉
 
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no those are bad incandescent photos, misleading, it's a stainless case. At least I think it is and there are no hallmarks or other marks anywhere that I can find.

Are you absolutely sure? If it's a capped case, it wouldn't need hallmarks.


Is the case on the subject watch a gold shell model. Look at the image showing the movement, and scope out the apparent shell over the case. A white gold shell? I’ve never seen one, but I suppose it is possible.


I agree - it certainly looks like there is a layer on the lugs, looking at the picture of the watch here:

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Are you absolutely sure? If it's a capped case, it wouldn't need hallmarks.





I agree - it certainly looks like there is a layer on the lugs, looking at the picture of the watch here:

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I guess the only way it's a capped case is if every trace of gold color has been completely removed ?
 
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I guess the only way it's a capped case is if every trace of gold color has been completely removed ?

Perhaps it's steel-capped 😁

But seriously - if it isn't capped, what is that layer on top of the lugs then? The welds you see on the back of some steel watches are very different; this looks just like the capping you'd see on a period Mido, for instance.


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I'd suggest they turn the case 180 degrees instead of drilling an extra hole... 😉
Same thought occured to me, I must have had a brain fart.
 
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Perhaps it's steel-capped 😁

But seriously - if it isn't capped, what is that layer on top of the lugs then? The welds you see on the back of some steel watches are very different; this looks just like the capping you'd see on a period Mido, for instance.


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Believe me, I'm as confused as you are. Here are some better daylight photos. I also find the crown position quite high on the case, you can see on the profile shot.

Anyhow I am in discussions with seller for a partial refund, but I also don't want to do anything unfair. I'm pretty skeptical of this case, it seems everyone else is as well. Do we have a consensus this is not UG case, or is it better left as an open question?

Aside from the many oddities, I keep coming back to the fact that I have not seen a UG case without a UG logo anywhere....
 
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The other thing that throws me is these seem like entirely reasonable serial and case ref numbers.
 
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Another ‘keep it’ vote here. You have at least 50% of a terrific watch there, probably more, for a modest sum. We all agree the case is vexing but almost pleasantly so.
 
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Gold shell models typically won’t have karat markings, or hallmarks. I’d want to have a real close look at the underside of the lugs if the watch was mine.
 
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Gold shell models typically won’t have karat markings, or hallmarks. I’d want to have a real close look at the underside of the lugs if the watch was mine.

optivisor ready, what am I looking for?

side note, on one of the underside of the lugs, someone has hand scratched what looks like

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this is turning into a real mystery 🙄
 
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optivisor ready, what am I looking for?

side note, on one of the underside of the lugs, someone has hand scratched what looks like

W 10
9-536

this is turning into a real mystery 🙄
I would certainly keep it, at that price and the fact that it's a real curio.
The caseback is really intriguing, if it wasn't a screw on but a snapon I would have assumed the partial protrusion was to accommadate some part of the movement. Or is it an unusual way to fit a removal tool?
 
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optivisor ready, what am I looking for?

side note, on one of the underside of the lugs, someone has hand scratched what looks like

W 10
9-536

this is turning into a real mystery 🙄

How an item that contains karat gold alloy is marked (if it is marked as such), will vary, depending on jurisdiction at its point of origin. Or depending on the jurisdiction where it is offered for sale. I don’t recall ever seeing a gold shell item with either a karat stamping, or a hallmark. But if there is a gold shell on the UG, and if it is hallmarked or quality marked, the mark would be discreet, and stamped onto the surface of the metal, when the case was made. If you don’t see any stamping on the bezel, I am not surprised. Official quality markings on precious metal items will never be hand scribed. The subject of stampings on precious metal articles is huge, and it is hard to generalize.
 
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How an item that contains karat gold alloy is marked (if it is marked as such), will vary, depending on jurisdiction at its point of origin. Or depending on the jurisdiction where it is offered for sale. I don’t recall ever seeing a gold shell item with either a karat stamping, or a hallmark. But if there is a gold shell on the UG, and if it is hallmarked or quality marked, the mark would be discreet, and stamped onto the surface of the metal, when the case was made. If you don’t see any stamping on the bezel, I am not surprised. Official quality markings on precious metal items will never be hand scribed. The subject of stampings on precious metal articles is huge, and it is hard to generalize.

I can't find any case markings anywhere. But I'm not completely clear at this point, we are exploring if it might be a white gold cap? Because it's clearly not gold colored?

There are a few more things scratched on the inside case back, I assume probably watchmaker marks. (If the serial on the caseback is accurate, places the watch at 42-43)

WD 4 17 47 (could be a date?)
3 2 52 A (maybe another date?)
RLH 6 3 84 (could be another date?)
 
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I would certainly keep it, at that price and the fact that it's a real curio.
The caseback is really intriguing, if it wasn't a screw on but a snapon I would have assumed the partial protrusion was to accommadate some part of the movement. Or is it an unusual way to fit a removal tool?

I think it's the latter, a way to remove the caseback......
 
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I can't find any case markings anywhere. But I'm not completely clear at this point, we are exploring if it might be a white gold cap? Because it's clearly not gold colored?

There are a few more things scratched on the inside case back, I assume probably watchmaker marks. (If the serial on the caseback is accurate, places the watch at 42-43)

WD 4 17 47 (could be a date?)
3 2 52 A (maybe another date?)
RLH 6 3 84 (could be another date?)

That case would not have left the factory with any hand scribed marks, anywhere, whatsoever. So disregard those hand scribed marks inside the case back. They were put there by watchmakers each time the watch was serviced, and they mean nothing to anybody other than the person(s) who put them there. These numbers might include some reference to dates, but nobody would know for sure.
 
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That case would not have left the factory with any hand scribed marks, anywhere, whatsoever. So disregard those hand scribed marks inside the case back. They were put there by watchmakers each time the watch was serviced, and they mean nothing to anybody other than the person(s) who put them there. These numbers might include some reference to dates, but nobody would know for sure.
Given the serial # dating 42/43 and the order of the other numbers 47/52/84 there is a very high probability that those are watchmakers date marks.
 
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Given the serial # dating 42/43 and the order of the other numbers 47/52/84 there is a very high probability that those are watchmakers date marks.

yep, my thoughts as well.........
 
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anyone here interested in buying this watch at $335? I don't know what to make of the case, but bottom line at 31mm its under my size cut off, I'm not likely to wear it.
Trying to save the ebay seller the hassle of an international return (canada), just PM me if there is any interest. It's on a UG strap (much later time period) w/ generic buckle.