Was Omega as prestigious in the 50' & 60's?

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Swatch group never purchased Omega. SSIH (Omega,Tissot) merged with ASUAG to form what became Swatch.

A merger is often nothing more than a disguised buyout, but that's good, perhaps they could unmerge now and have Swatch and Omega as two completely separate entities. Well, I guess it wouldn't make sense for the group...
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My dad, born 1925, who it must be said was not any kind of a watch guy, mentioned more than once to me when I was a kid and I’d try to express my enthusiasm for watches said, “when you had an Omega, you knew you’d made it.”

He never mentioned brands for anything else. He was absolutely not a “brand guy” - I doubt such thinking was at all common in his generation. But he sure as heck knew Omega. And to him, they were the best. Perhaps because all his peers and mentors (physicians) wore them.

I believe that especially with all the Omegas we find engraved by businesses large and small. IBM, Macall, GP, and so many more. When you retired back then or made milestones with a company they took care of you. My 10 year anniversary at IBM, I got to pick some junky kitchen knife set. Wooo yay.
 
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A merger is often nothing more than a disguised buyout, but that's good, perhaps they could unmerge now and have Swatch and Omega as two completely separate entities. Well, I guess it wouldn't make sense for the group...

LVMH, Swatch, tech companies, alcohol companies and even Tobacco companies in the day, it’s all about acquisition.
Companies that are bought buy big companies (with share holders) don't slice off flagship companies.
Anyone that has google knows the difference between a Swatch watch and a Omega watch. I myself can’t work out the butt hurt in the MoonSwatch..
(Not a shot at you) Myself it was a Marketing smash…..

If anything, I find the
Rolex / Tudor a weird one…. Rolex became scarce and only Tudor available once Tudor was released in the US market where it was previously not sold…
How is it you can’t buy a Rolex to save your life, but you could probably have bought every Tudor released since Rolex became scarce…..📖
 
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Well, when Rolex start selling a Moonswatch equivalent at a Moonswatch price, I may try one but, until then ……
 
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Omega has always been a risk taker, their design catalog speaks to that. Some have been brilliant, some a disaster- but they take risks.
Rolex has been flogging the same Oyster for the last 70 years- how many dials and bezels can I see in the same damn case, now tubby- but still the same thing.
Thank you Omega for putting your name on a cheap plastic watch- it’s a risk, but bold.
 
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Omega has always been a risk taker, their design catalog speaks to that. Some have been brilliant, some a disaster- but they take risks.
Rolex has been flogging the same Oyster for the last 70 years- how many dials and bezels can I see in the same damn case, now tubby- but still the same thing.
Thank you Omega for putting your name on a cheap plastic watch- it’s a risk, but bold.
Ahem, it’s bioceramic.
 
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Rolex has been flogging the same Oyster for the last 70 years- how many dials and bezels can I see in the same damn case

You could say the same about the Speedmaster. Omega even recycled the Speedy's twisted lugs to use on the SMP 300. Thing is, when you've managed to create a perfect design for its intended purpose, why change it? If it ain't broken, don't fix it. I applaud Omega and Rolex for keeping their flagship models virtually unchanged. There would be no brand recognition without watch recognition. People (loyal customers) want a Sub to look like a Sub. Same for the DJ and the Speedy.
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Omega has always been a risk taker, their design catalog speaks to that. Some have been brilliant, some a disaster- but they take risks.
Rolex has been flogging the same Oyster for the last 70 years- how many dials and bezels can I see in the same damn case, now tubby- but still the same thing.
Thank you Omega for putting your name on a cheap plastic watch- it’s a risk, but bold.
You KNOW that I have to say it. PALM FRONDS!!!
 
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If anything, I find the
Rolex / Tudor a weird one…. Rolex became scarce and only Tudor available once Tudor was released in the US market where it was previously not sold…
How is it you can’t buy a Rolex to save your life, but you could probably have bought every Tudor released since Rolex became scarce…..📖

Didn’t Waldorf say the shield protects the crown? Like many others, it makes sense to have two brands aimed at two different market segments with distinct marketing strategies to broaden total market share…
 
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People (loyal customers) want a Sub to look like a Sub. Same for the DJ and the Speedy.
I'd argue that the modern Sub doesn't look like an original Sub anymore with its behemoth of a case. The Speedmaster stayed much more true to its origins and I am glad it did.
 
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I finally got a moonswatch a couple of weeks ago. I like it, it's fun and colorful and cheap. The marketing hype around the moonswatch was probably worth way more than whatever they made from selling them
 
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My Dad was given an Omega Seamaster by his parents in the late 1950s just before he departed from Malaya to study in the UK. I remember my Mum telling me when I was a child that it was a very good watch because "it's an Omega":


That's certainly in keeping with the impression I got that up until the late 1960s to early 1970s, Omega was the world's leading watch company in terms of brand recognition and sales. IMHO what shifted the pendulum towards Rolex was the Submariner and GMT Master, which were truly innovative. Since then, I'm afraid that Omega has been mostly playing catch up. However, with the advent of their co-axial escapement movements, Omega can rightly claim to have closed the gap.
I love that watch. I've been looking for a "beefy lug" Seamaster with a clover crown for a long time but I'm a little nervous about having a radium watch around my small kids. One of these days I'll find a no lume like yours
 
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I am no watchmaker (nor do I play one on TV) so as far as what is a better watch, I'll leave that up to those who have the requisite expertise to comment.

This is, as @gbesq has articulated, all about marketing and brand positioning. Rolex are arguably the masters in this regard. The concept of brand is, ultimately, a promise. To many of us, Omega meets or exceeds the expectation and provides that indescribable feeling. To others, only the Crown fulfills that intangible something; for most folks, choosing Rolex, Omega or Timex isn't usually rooted in the mechanical as much as the emotional. (Note I said usually.) Sorry @bananapeanut, but I don't see the Snoopy or TinTin as cheesy larks by Swatch Group. Perhaps I'm giving Omega too much slack but these Speedy variants seem to make more sense from a watch fancier's perspective. At least to me. it's the the over blingafied, statement-on-the-wrist offerings + the recent what-the-actual fack palm frondy things from Rolex that have me scratching my head. Mind you, that's their positioning nowadays, and it's geared to a market that, in my view, is somewhat removed from what we are about here on OF.

The fact the MoonSwatch is being debated and discussed here, again, underscores the home run the Swatch Group scored last spring. The MoonSwatch is a genius move. It has successfully tied together the Swatch and Omega sub-brands and elevates the profile of one of the world's most iconic and storied timepieces: The Speedmaster. Many people who never knew a Speedy from a 1970's Marlin have been alerted and educated thanks to a $350 offering. That's terrific positioning. I could repeat much of what was covered back in late March on the dedicated MoonSwatch thread, but all I will add is this: while I was in the Vancouver OB last week, I asked them their thoughts on the Moon Swatch. Rather than slag it off, they said interest in the actual Moonwatch has exploded since its cheap plastic - sorry, bioceramic - step-child was launched. That is terrific marketing from a company that, make no mistake, has an abundance of marketers and brand specialists to vet campaign concepts and do tests prior to launch. A large marketing team doesn't preclude bad decisions, of course. Take the Leopard Daytona, for example.
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IMO, the only way for Omega to regain its prestigious status is to claim its independence from the Swatch Group.

I think in reality, the limits this would put on Omega operationally would not result in the creative freedom you seek.

I'm more than happy to put up with endless Omega LE Speedys that everyone seems to go mad after, or even all the Bond stuff, so long as they continue to make excellent (and available!) standard issue watches that I love. Perceived prestige be damned.
 
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A large marketing team doesn't preclude bad decisions, of course. Take the Leopard Daytona, for example.

Let’s not forget this one too...I tried it on several years ago in Honolulu...



From the “no gimmicks” watch company...
 
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Some real nice input and perspectives, particularly about the Olympic timekeeping being so important.
 
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Let’s not forget this one too...I tried it on several years ago in Honolulu...



From the “no gimmicks” watch company...

OMG.
Let's be reasonable here and keep in mind that they're all guilty of gimmickry on one level or another with design language or colours or dial patterns.
But Rolex can be very disappointing indeed and they're pushing the boundaries to generate some space for themselves. At least it's only transitory.
But we are meandering off topic a little.

Way, way back in the day Omega were regarded as superior by most people including those in the know.
The tables have turned in modern times because Rolex mostly stayed true to a design language and the marketing was really good.
I think this helped Rolex gain an advantage.
The Quartz crisis didn't help much and there was a scramble for survival with the current crop of main players each adopting a different strategy.
Things are stabilising again and it's interesting to witness with the rapid emergence of new technologies across the board.
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Let's be reasonable here and keep in mind that they're all guilty of gimmickry on one level or another with design language or colours or paterns.

Of course they are...that is my point...
 
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Some real nice input and perspectives, particularly about the Olympic timekeeping being so important.

If I recall correctly, Seiko have also had their turn at the Olympics as well. I think it was back in the days when Bond was wearing a digital Seiko Sports 100.