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Vintage Sturmanskie, possible to find?
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Bille
·According to this link (originally provided by @Foo2rama ) it passes all the tests except lacks the polish stripped pattern (Geneva) on the movement.
EDIT: Here is the link: https://forums.watchuseek.com/f54/s...el-sturmanskie-tammo-23013.html#/topics/23013
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befobe
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Professor
·There are a lot of these 15 jewel Gagarins available on Ebay. They advertise them as vintage NOS but in the fine print it says they were manufactured in the 1980's. Theres some variations in the style of the hands otherwise identical.
Probably the same movement as my Pobeda, which is very accurate at -2 seconds per week.
Probably the same movement as my Pobeda, which is very accurate at -2 seconds per week.
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NikolShep
·According to this link (originally provided by @Foo2rama ) it passes all the tests except lacks the polish stripped pattern (Geneva) on the movement.
EDIT: Here is the link: https://forums.watchuseek.com/f54/s...el-sturmanskie-tammo-23013.html#/topics/23013
According to the example given in the link to WUS forum, (I post picture from that for clarity), example @Bille has was produced 2.5 years earlier (1-50) than the one in the WUS example (1-53). However, the serial number of the older watch is about 30,000 higher than the one from WUS example.
If
Sturmanskie stamped sequential serial numbers (they must have; even Rolex came up with random serial numbers just recently), then one of these watches must have parts recently replaced/non-original. Is that logical?
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Professor
·Hows the finish on this movement?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SOVIET-NAV...996349?hash=item263d7775bd:g:cu0AAOSwHkRe4Z9z
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SOVIET-NAV...996349?hash=item263d7775bd:g:cu0AAOSwHkRe4Z9z
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NikolShep
·Hows the finish on this movement?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SOVIET-NAV...996349?hash=item263d7775bd:g:cu0AAOSwHkRe4Z9z
Using the link given above, i.e. https://omegaforums.net/threads/seeking-advice-on-vintage-sturmanskie.107174/#post-1404650
I can see that the spring rachet wheel has two extra letters, i.e. ГС before the expected 1МЧЗ... note that I am not an expert at all, I am just comparing images here and in the links. Any other thoughts?
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Professor
·Any other thoughts?
I've got more Russkie watches than I need, its all academic from now on.
Unless I ran across a Strella dirt cheap at an estate sale auction or yard sale anyway.
I had noticed the striped polish mentioned earlier and wondered if this was it.
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NikolShep
·Nope just trying to learn as much as I can.
I've got more Russkie watches than I need, its all academic from now on.
Unless I ran across a Strella dirt cheap at an estate sale auction or yard sale anyway.
I had noticed the striped polish mentioned earlier and wondered if this was it.
Do you have any 15 or 17j Sturmanskie that you are confident are genuine to share pictures of? I am kind of building a mini-database of genuine Sturmanskie in order to be able to catch a genuine one one day somewhere.
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Professor
·Nice! I am in the beginning of that road. Trying to build a thematic collection.
Do you have any 15 or 17j Sturmanskie that you are confident are genuine to share pictures of? I am kind of building a mini-database of genuine Sturmanskie in order to be able to catch a genuine one one day somewhere.
The Slava has a great dual mainspring movement, IIRC it has 21 jewels, perhaps more. A very accurate watch.
There are so many re issues of the Sturmanskies that I'm not all that interested on bidding on these.
Last Russian watches that I almost bid on were engraved presentation watches. One was to a very successful farmer for always exceeding his quotas, the other to a female British Communist party leader.
I still look the vintage Russian watches over whenever I visit Ebay. They are tough as nails and seem to have been serviced fairly often no matter how doggy the exterior looks. Usually the seller will state if a watch has been recently serviced before being put up for sale. I have a feeling that watch repair is a popular cottage industry in the former Soviet States.
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··"I cut it TWICE and it's still short!"Usually the seller will state if a watch has been recently serviced before being put up for sale. I have a feeling that watch repair is a popular cottage industry in the former Soviet States.
I have purchased several from Poland and communicated through ebay email with the sellers. They do service them as you say. Poland seems to be a good source.
I have gone down this rabbit hole myself. I gave up and took a break. I still need to find a decent example myself.
This one i bought for the strap. New dial and doesn't hack.
This one hacks but may have the wrong hands ( too narrow and short)
This one hacks, has the correct hands dial and movement (if i remember correctly) but has a new crown and beat up dial.
Anyone should feel free to comment on these, eg what is correct or incorrect. I am also learning here and welcome the chance to learn more. I need to dig up my research again. Maybe later. Hesitating going back in that rabbit hole...
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S.H.
·This one hacks, has the correct hands dial and movement (if i remember correctly) but has a new crown and beat up dial.
I think the seconds hand is too short 😉
Also, if I remember well, the first model (15j) has a longer seconds hand than the second model (17j).
It is not a rare watch, but it is not that easy (or even surprisingly difficult) to find in a good attractive shape.
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pdxleaf
··"I cut it TWICE and it's still short!"I think the seconds hand is too short 😉
Also, if I remember well, the first model (15j) has a longer seconds hand than the second model (17j).
It is not a rare watch, but it is not that easy (or even surprisingly difficult) to find in a good attractive shape.
Good luck to everyone in the search. This will be a fun thread to follow to see your finds.
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seikosematic
·Depends on which model (early ones or newer chronos), but every model has been faked AFAIK.
The ones from the Gagarin era are the most difficult to find unmolested, but it is possible: you just have to study everything carefully.
A few genuines of my collection for reference:
Bridge probably replaced, jewels are not recessed; it hacks though:
Late reply, but the Sturmanskie posted is a 15-jewel version, so not actually a Gagarin watch, but pre-dates him. The Gagarin watch is the 17-jewel version. It's still a very nice specimen, though.
