Vintage Seamaster Ref. 14767-61 with sub-seconds (Franken?)

bentobastian · Sun. 8:35am

Hi everyone,

I am considering purchasing a vintage Omega Seamaster from a local dealer here in Brazil, but I have some concerns regarding the authenticity and matching of parts. I would appreciate your expert eyes on this piece.

Seller's Information:

Model: Omega Seamaster
Stated Reference: 14767-61
Asking Price: Approx. $850 USD
Description: Described as being in "excellent condition" with an original dial.

My Concerns:

Reference vs. Movement Clash: The seller states the reference is 14767-61. From my research, the 147xx references usually house center-second movements (like the Cal. 552 or 562). However, this watch clearly has a sub-second dial and a movement that looks like a Cal. 491 (or similar 49x family). Is there any historical precedent for a 14767 case housing a bumper/sub-second movement, or is this a definitive "marriage/frankenwatch"?

Dial Originality: The dial looks remarkably clean for its age. The "Seamaster" font and the crosshair look crisp. Does this look like a high-quality redial to you?
Case Condition: The lugs appear to have been polished, losing some of the sharp chamfers.

Unfortunately, I do not have a picture of the inside of the caseback or the movement serial number at this moment, only the photos attached.

I am looking for a nice vintage piece to wear, but I want to avoid buying a watch put together from parts.

Thank you very much for your help!

Passover · Sun. 9:27am

Hi to Brazil!

I don't how you carried out your research but doing an online search for Omega 14767 -61 I mostly see sub second models with 491 movements.

The hands have been relumed but otherwise but the dial itself looks original to me

Serial number 14 million is for mid 1950s so OK

The crystal might have to cracks but seems to be Omega signed

More feedback to come! 😀

Dan S · Sun. 9:39am

Passover
I don't how you carried out your research but doing an online search for Omega 14767 -61 I mostly see sub second models with 491 movements.

Agree, the movement appears to be consistent with the reference.

Hetcins1 · Sun. 11:06am

That's my omega same reference as yours same year also. mines got different hands to yours mine has got the omega symbol etched in the centre of plexiglass

bentobastian · Mon. 6:27pm

Thank you, guys!
Unfortunettely it was sold to someone else, but that's okay!
I am still investigating and seeing what I can buy. I was also concerned about the size, because it was 34mm and I have a 19cm/7.5inches wrist, so I wasn't sure about buying.
To be honest, I did find this reference with the sub-second, but I was also doing deep research on gemini and gpt 4.0, and the chats were saying that it was the wrong reference, so that was what got me worried, and I decided to check on here to be extra sure.

Thank you very much again!

JimInOz · Mon. 6:40pm

bentobastian
I was also doing deep research on gemini and gpt 4.0,

Well, there's your first mistake.
😉

AI is no match for detailed (human) research, followed up by consultation with collectors familiar with particular references.

You also get a bonus point for making enquiries before buying.

Dan S · Mon. 7:30pm

bentobastian
Thank you, guys!
Unfortunettely it was sold to someone else, but that's okay!
I am still investigating and seeing what I can buy. I was also concerned about the size, because it was 34mm and I have a 19cm/7.5inches wrist, so I wasn't sure about buying.
To be honest, I did find this reference with the sub-second, but I was also doing deep research on gemini and gpt 4.0, and the chats were saying that it was the wrong reference, so that was what got me worried, and I decided to check on here to be extra sure.

Thank you very much again!

34mm or 34.5mm was pretty typical for Seamasters from that era. However, there are some references from the 50s and 60s that are in the 36mm range, which makes a big difference for wearability, IMO. And there are even a few "jumbo" references in the 37-38mm range.

Price often increases steeply with size, all things being equal, so I think it would be a good idea for you to try on some watches in person and decide what size range interests you. There are other factors that make the situation even more complicated. For example, a watch with a wide bezel will often appear smaller than an "all-dial" design, even though the case are the same diameter.

Larry S · 2025-12-16T01:36:08-0600

bentobastian
Thank you, guys!
Unfortunettely it was sold to someone else, but that's okay!
I am still investigating and seeing what I can buy. I was also concerned about the size, because it was 34mm and I have a 19cm/7.5inches wrist, so I wasn't sure about buying.
To be honest, I did find this reference with the sub-second, but I was also doing deep research on gemini and gpt 4.0, and the chats were saying that it was the wrong reference, so that was what got me worried, and I decided to check on here to be extra sure.

Thank you very much again!

Those Chats are just webcrawlers who pick up all the idiocy and well as the right info and spit it back to you. I would regard them as directional at best.

Vintage Seamaster Ref. 14767-61 with sub-seconds (Franken?)

bentobastian

Passover

Dan S

Hetcins1

bentobastian

JimInOz

Dan S

Larry S

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