Vintage Omega Seamaster help

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Hi I need some help and advice. This is my now deceased brother-in-law's watch. It is not working. It is currently at Omega in Switzerland (having a wonderful time I hope) and I have been quoted $4759 CAD to repair. New dial, new movement, new titanium clasp, water resistance service, new crystal sapphire, etc etc. I don't know a thing about watches. Is it worth this astonomical figure to repair? Caliber 1154/Case Ref 1760504/Serial #48604225.

 
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I'd have a hard time spending that much on the watch unless it had tremendous sentimental value. And if it's sentimental, I might prefer to keep it as-is, instead of replacing everything. Does it really need all of those things? Did water get inside, destroying the dial and rusting the movement solid? Is the crystal damaged? Is the clasp broken? If not, I'd probably just have an independent watchmaker repair the movement and leave the dial alone.
 
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Yes it is an astronomical quote and no it is not remotely worth it: it probably needs no more than the standard ~$1K service. Reject their kind offer and get it back pronto. They have quoted you about three quarters of the value of the watch to repair it. As above, I doubt very much it must have a new dial or crystal, unless either are seriously damaged and it sure doesn't look that way in the picture.
 
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I'd have a hard time spending that much on the watch unless it had tremendous sentimental value. And if it's sentimental, I might prefer to keep it as-is, instead of replacing everything. Does it really need all of those things? Did water get inside, destroying the dial and rusting the movement solid? Is the crystal damaged? Is the clasp broken? If not, I'd probably just have an independent watchmaker repair the movement and leave the dial alone.
Here's what the quote says:
Anti-reflective coating to your crystal is worn
Exchange fo the dial is necessary.
The case is damaged.
The hands are damaged
Exchange fo the movement is necessary. The movement is rusted.
Exchange of the clasp is necessary. The clasp does not work properly.
I guess it's a mess. It doesn't work at all. We tried Omega in Toronto and they said we should spend the $150 to send it to Switzerland and have them assess it. I just didn't expect this kind of quote.
 
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Yes it is an astronomical quote and no it is not remotely worth it: it probably needs no more than the standard ~$1K service. Reject their kind offer and get it back pronto. They have quoted you about three quarters of the value of the watch to repair it. As above, I doubt very much it must have a new dial or crystal, unless either are seriously damaged and it sure doesn't look that way in the picture.
Thanks for this
 
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The rust on the movement could indeed be a serious issue, since if severe it may mean an independent can't fully restore it, but most of the other items are not really necessary. Anti glare is no big deal at all, and I suspect the issue with the dial is maybe just degraded tritium lume. The hands are usually included in the cost of a full service. I'd still get it looked at by an indy with a parts account. There has clearly been water ingress at some point though so perhaps the damage to the dial may be worse than we surmise.

If you are based in Canada, you could do a lot worse than consult with Archer who is our resident Omega Authorised Independent Watchmaker and citizen of those parts. I seem to recall him bringing a rusted Speedmaster back from the dead before.
 
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The rust on the movement could indeed be a serious issue, since if severe it may mean an independent can't fully restore it, but most of the other items are not really necessary. Anti glare is no big deal at all, and I suspect the issue with the dial is maybe just degraded tritium lume. The hands are usually included in the cost of a full service. I'd still get it looked at by an indy with a parts account. There has clearly been water ingress at some point though so perhaps the damage to the dial may be worse than we surmise.

If you are based in Canada, you could do a lot worse than consult with Archer who is our resident Omega Authorised Independent Watchmaker and citizen of those parts. I seem to recall him bringing a rusted Speedmaster back from the dead before.
Thanks so much for your input. How do I connect with Archer?
 
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Thanks so much for your input. How do I connect with Archer?
Wait until you get your watch back and then send him a PM from this forum.
Ask if he is able to do the work and conduct an assessment.
He can be found by searching the list of members.
 
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Quick update to this thread - the watch is now in my shop. 👍
 
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Thought I would update this thread as I move along through the service. When I received the watch I first pressure tested it, and unsurprisingly, it failed both the vacuum and pressure tests:



I then wound it and it would actually run. But when I placed it on the timing machine, it wasn't running well enough for the machine to pick up any reading:



I opened it up and removed the rotor for a better view - there's definitely some rust in there:



Note that the keen eyed will spot a missing movement part on this watch (other than the rotor) so anyone care to guess?

Looking at it under the microscope, there were a few concerning spots - this is the minute counting wheel and jewel - at first it appeared that the jewel was broken and gone, and that the pivot on the wheel had rusted away maybe:



But it turns out that the jewel was just packed full of dirt:



Winding and setting parts are rusty:



The rust damage wasn't as bad as I was expecting, considering that Omega was quoting a complete new movement. Yes, this required some new parts, but nothing near the cost of a new movement:



Couple of examples of what needed replacing - the rotor bearing was rusted and this style of rotor requires the entire rotor to be replaced. This is the single most expensive movement part required:



Many other parts that needed replacing were not that expensive, such as this rusty setting lever:



I'll leave it there for now so people can guess the missing movement part. More later.
 
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Missing jumper spring on the one recording wheel would be my guess.
 
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Missing jumper spring on the one recording wheel would be my guess.
Nope, that is in the photo.
 
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So where was the case leaking? The HEV had no signs of rust, the case back and crystal seals were good. Rust visible at the case tube and at both pushers:



Parts! At least some of them that I had on hand and didn't have to order. The missing part is in this photo...



Base movement is assembled:



Amplitude looks good in the 290's, at least in this position:



Carry on with 6 positions at full wind:



Results - this is an 1154, which is a chronometer grade movement, so the requirements for performance at full wind are that when measured over 5 positions, the Delta should not exceed 12 seconds, and that the average rate over those positions should fall between 0 and +6 seconds per day. Here I have tested with one additional position, and I have 6.4 seconds Delta, so a little more than 1/2 of what is allowed, and the average rate is 3.4 seconds per day (I will probably adjust this closer to zero before this is all done):



So for a movement that was supposedly not worth saving, it's performing pretty well I think. This is why any lever movement based on the 7750 is something I always look forward to working on - they just work and work well. They have to be very badly abused before they give you troubles.
 
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hammer spring is missing, did they forget to put it back after making the quote? or was it somehow removed earlier?
 
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hammer spring is missing, did they forget to put it back after making the quote? or was it somehow removed earlier?
Hammer spring is correct. No idea when or how it disappeared. Not a typical part to remove for any sort of quoting purpose.
 
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So where was the case leaking? The HEV had no signs of rust, the case back and crystal seals were good. Rust visible at the case tube and at both pushers:



Parts! At least some of them that I had on hand and didn't have to order. The missing part is in this photo...



Base movement is assembled:



Amplitude looks good in the 290's, at least in this position:



Carry on with 6 positions at full wind:



Results - this is an 1154, which is a chronometer grade movement, so the requirements for performance at full wind are that when measured over 5 positions, the Delta should not exceed 12 seconds, and that the average rate over those positions should fall between 0 and +6 seconds per day. Here I have tested with one additional position, and I have 6.4 seconds Delta, so a little more than 1/2 of what is allowed, and the average rate is 3.4 seconds per day (I will probably adjust this closer to zero before this is all done):



So for a movement that was supposedly not worth saving, it's performing pretty well I think. This is why any lever movement based on the 7750 is something I always look forward to working on - they just work and work well. They have to be very badly abused before they give you troubles.
Incredible work, as always. Thank you for sharing this with us.
 
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Can't wait to see this one back on the owner's wrist, the TiTanRAu is one of my favourite watches that I've never owned and the first ever real image uploaded to this site was an ad for that specific model from a 1994 BMW magazine

Here it is, thread number 7 on the site

 
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Top side complete:



Dial side in progress:



Dial side complete:



Omega had said the dial needed replacing, but the lume looks stable and although there were a few water marks, those mostly cleaned up well - shot of one section before cleanup:



The red triangles on the dial have faded, as have the red parts of the hands:



The hand lume is crumbling:



So in consultation with the owner, all the hands will be replaced.

Going to be a bit of a pause as I am waiting for some backordered items for the case work.
 
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i have the same watch in full titanium and i love it. it was my first omega and it had never seen a service before i bought it in 2018. Omega replaced a LOT of parts (which i have). Mine is from roughly the same vintage as yours and has the early Made in France Titanium bracelet. Does yours also have a made in France bracelet? From what i understand those bracelets were mounted on the early version of those watches and after a year or so they switched to Swiss made bracelets.
 
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i have the same watch in full titanium and i love it. it was my first omega and it had never seen a service before i bought it in 2018. Omega replaced a LOT of parts (which i have). Mine is from roughly the same vintage as yours and has the early Made in France Titanium bracelet. Does yours also have a made in France bracelet? From what i understand those bracelets were mounted on the early version of those watches and after a year or so they switched to Swiss made bracelets.