Vintage Constellation Pie Pan

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Hi Everyone !

So i’ve been wanting to buy myself a vintage constellation for a few years now. I finally came across this beautiful 2852 Pie Pan from 1956.

I would really appreciate all of your input, anything you would have the say about what you think; the condition, the rarity, the dial, and how much you think it would be worth paying for? It would be my first watch purchase. P.s. i’ve also been considering a 168.005 (18k gold version, leather strap, onyx markers, very clean).

Here are some answers from the seller concerning the condition of the 2852:

Movement / Service

  • The watch has been fully serviced by us, including complete disassembly, cleaning, and lubrication.
  • The service was carried out by our watchmaker, and all internal movement parts are original.
  • No replacement parts have been used within the movement.
  • Please note that the leather strap and buckle are new, and are the only non-original components.
Originality

  • Dial: Original
  • Hands: Original
  • Crown: Original
  • Case: Original
  • Acrylic crystal: Original
  • Movement parts: All original
Performance

  • Timekeeping (measured on a timegrapher)
    • Dial up: approximately +40 seconds/day
    • Crown down: approximately –20 seconds/day
  • The balance amplitude and overall condition are healthy for a vintage watch.
  • The automatic winding system is functioning properly.
Case condition

  • The case may have been polished in the past, however there is very little metal loss, and the overall case shape remains well preserved.
Warranty

  • The watch comes with a 1-year warrantyissued by TIMEANAGRAM.
  • This warranty covers natural mechanical failures occurring during normal use.
  • It does not cover damage caused by water, magnetism, shocks, or improper handling.

Thanks in advance!

 
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That dial wouldn’t be considered a pie pan and the watch should keep better time if it was just serviced. I presume the dealer is asking considerably more than the watch is worth.
 
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Hi. How much is the seller asking for this?
It would end up costing around $4200.00 CAD after import duties and taxes
 
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It's a desirable variation, with the arrowhead markers, textured dial, etc. However, the condition of the watch is below average with the stained and faded dial and the overly polished case with soft edges and cratered lug holes. The caseback in particular is in very poor condition, there should be 8 stars on the back. It appears that the back has been aggressively polished, and then refinished on a lathe. The seller's description of the case condition is absurd and not honest, IMO.

Based on the OP, the timekeeping is terrible for a serviced watch, which would concern me. The plating has apparently been stripped from much of the movement.

Overall, this is a very rough watch, and personally I find it to be an unappealing example. Not something I would buy at even half the asking price, TBH.

Edit: I thought I recalled a similar example selling in an auction recently. Not arrowhead markers but a very cool "Explorer" dial variation. Far from excellent obviously, and it needs a crown, but apparently much better condition. $1900 USD with fees.
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/1950s-omega-constellation-pie-pan-gold-steel-chro-5b064c6d76

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This watch has been online for months if not a year plus. There are reasons it hasn’t sold yet. @Dan S just explained why.
 
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If a vintage watch has been properly serviced and is in good condition, the variation in timekeeping should be better than -20 to +40!

Nice photos but I don’t think that watch will look anywhere near as nice in real life. I agree it’s a bit shagged out.

OP, it’s always better to say in your overview what the asking price is and also what your research has shown. Even as a beginner you can research prices.
 
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If you aren’t set on the waffle dial + arrow head combination, I would recommend looking for other more common pie-pan dials instead (like non-waffle arrow or baton indices), as they can be found at auction in much better condition for less. Dog legs (168.005) will cost a bit more than lyre lug cases in equal condition.

Also, check out the how to fish guide https://omegaforums.net/threads/learn-how-to-fish.52603/
 
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There are some strange things in the movement...



On the rotor, there are two sections I've added arrows to that have clearly been modified by someone. Also one hole on the automatic bridge is not round - both these are very strange and I see no reason for these modifications to be made.

As you can see the plating on the base movement is in very poor shape, where the automatic bridge the plating is intact. Back when these were in production, Omega sold the complete automatic winding unit as one replacement part, ready to install, so at some stage it's very likely that this watch had the entire automatic winding unit replaced, which is why the plating on that is in much better condition.

This goes to the claim they are making that all the movement parts are original. The added claim that no parts were replaced during service is stated as if that is a good thing - it is not. There's no way that watch movement gets this shagged out without having been used a lot, and if there were original parts in there they would be worn out. Maybe they are and that's why the timekeeping is so bad....

To be specific with one example you can see on the rotor that it has wear here at the red arrow:



This wear happens when the rotor pinion wears out, and the rotor flops around enough to scrape on the inside of the case back. If they didn't replace any parts, that means they didn't fix this issue, so the automatic winding will not be efficient, and the wear particles from this rotor continuing to scrape will all end up in the movement.

For me on many levels this watch is a hard pass...
 
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Even my non expert eyes would be a pass on this. Looks way over polished. In particular the caseback.

Also, can I say, I love this forum. The amount of expert eyes one has access to prior to purchase is nothing short of incredible.

The people here are no doubt a thorn in the side of every shark dealer out there 🤪
 
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Even my non expert eyes would be a pass on this. Looks way over polished. In particular the caseback.

Also, can I say, I love this forum. The amount of expert eyes one has access to prior to purchase is nothing short of incredible.

The people here are no doubt a thorn in the side of every shark dealer out there 🤪
I second this. I really do appreciate all of the help from each of you, very eye opening. As you can tell, i’m quite the amateur so this was a big help. Hoping to learn from this and secure one sometime soon
 
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Hi Everybody..this is Nicola from Italy. I have just literally recovered from the trash bin a nice 2648 Constellation that, unfortunately has the caseback medaillon missing....if anybody has one to sell me..please pm..thank you!

 
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Hi Everybody..this is Nicola from Italy. I have just literally recovered from the trash bin a nice 2648 Constellation that, unfortunately has the caseback medaillon missing....if anybody has one to sell me..please pm..thank you!

I’d suggest posting in the want to buy forum to see if anyone can help. eBay may have one available as well, I as them pop up from time to time, but I’m not sure I’ve seen only the medallion, just the full caseback
 
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I’d suggest posting in the want to buy forum to see if anyone can help. eBay may have one available as well, I as them pop up from time to time, but I’m not sure I’ve seen only the medallion, just the full caseback
Thank you for your input!
 
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There's one on Ebay, unfortunately it is gold and priced accordingly :/
 
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Hi Everybody..this is Nicola from Italy. I have just literally recovered from the trash bin a nice 2648 Constellation that, unfortunately has the caseback medaillon missing....if anybody has one to sell me..please pm..thank you!


Be careful. Genuine medallions are very hard to find and there are fakes out there.
The best bet is often to try and find a spare case back and salvage it from there.
 
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I don’t think Omega ever sold the medallions separately.

These medallions were made from very thin 14K gold and were hollow. Very difficult to remove with damaging.

So if you see one on eBay, it is a fake, maybe cast from a real one.
gatorcpa
 
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I don’t think Omega ever sold the medallions separately.

These medallions were made from very thin 14K gold and were hollow. Very difficult to remove with damaging.

So if you see one on eBay, it is a fake, maybe cast from a real one.
gatorcpa
This exactly, the only way to solve this problem is a replacement 2648 case back with yellow gold medallion....and these are very hard to find
 
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There's one on Ebay, unfortunately it is gold and priced accordingly :/
My suggestion is a whole case back fwiw. but yeah, pretty tough to find.