Value development in long terms

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The most perfect watch ever made, so they tell me- I wouldn’t say that but I hear people say that it is perfect, made of some super metal that’s impenetrable by space lasers or bad hombres- no, they can’t hurt that glorious watch. I would rather be wearing that watch that eaten by a shark- cause I don’t want to get anywhere near that shark or an electric car, coal power watches- but beautiful clean coal, you know they wash the coal with Dawn dish soap to get it clean, then they put it in the watch and it runs forever, don’t need a battery- just gleaming squeaky clean coal in the watch….
To be completely candid I’m pretty sure I put a nic in it today
 
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To be completely candid I’m pretty sure I put a nic in it today


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I think watches can be a decent investment. I have 3 vintage Rolex sport watches. They should appreciate over time. Whether they do better or worse than stocks is unknown. They don't take up much space and I can wear them and enjoy them. I consider them a diversified investment and much better than a money market fund.
 
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A man can choose between several methods to get rid of his assets: The fastest way is at the roulette table, the most pleasant with clock speculation and the stupidest at the stock market.

Kostolany-probably 😀
 
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I invest in my enjoyment when I buy a watch. What it may sell for at some undetermined later date is irrelevant to my purchase decision.

Me too. But you can still occasionally think about the sense and nonsense of a hobby, especially when you get to an advanced age.

One might consider the follwing comparison. If someone is a gourmet and regularly dines in Michelin-starred restaurants, then the substantial money "invested" is 100% gone, garanteed. So, it is a good thing that I personally am not a gourmet, but a watch/clock lover ...😁
 
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And fooling yourself into believing that the hobby also makes financial sense, for example as with the Rolex GMT in the opening post, also makes an impression on those around you (my wife was all thumbs up) ... 😁
 
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Me too. But you can still occasionally think about the sense and nonsense of a hobby, especially when you get to an advanced age.

One might consider the follwing comparison. If someone is a gourmet and regularly dines in Michelin-starred restaurants, then the substantial money "invested" is 100% gone, garanteed. So, it is a good thing that I personally am not a gourmet, but a watch/clock lover ...😁

Your age is not much more "advanced" than mine, so I'm not sure it has much to do with that. I guess it depends on how you view the world - through the eyes of money/returns, or just enjoyment.

I regularly "invest" to use your term, in my own enjoyment, with nothing tangible as a result. That's why I go to concerts, go to the theatre, and eat good food (mostly that I have prepared myself, as that is another thing I enjoy). I personally don't think of those things in terms of "investments" in a monetary way any more than I do sitting on the back deck watching the birds go by. I view watches in a similar way - I expect that they will cost me money, because other than the last few years with a very distorted market, that has been the norm.

I have a friend (accountant) who puts things in "enjoyment units per dollar" and that's how he thinks of watches. For me, I just buy what I like, and if I get anything for it or not when the time comes to sell, is irrelevant as I've enjoyed it while I've owned it.
 
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dines in Michelin-starred restaurants, then the substantial money "invested" is 100% gone, garanteed.
Holidays would fall in the same category but the memories are priceless, so if I had to spend money on watch or a holiday, the latter would be my choice.
 
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Holidays would fall in the same category but the memories are priceless, so if I had to spend money on watch or a holiday, the latter would be my choice.
But wearing a nice watch while on holiday is even better. 😀 Assuming, of course, that you don’t end up getting robbed. 😲
 
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I have a friend (accountant) who puts things in "enjoyment units per dollar" and that's how he thinks of watches. For me, I just buy what I like, and if I get anything for it or not when the time comes to sell, is irrelevant as I've enjoyed it while I've owned it.

So what does it mean when I think of things in terms of “watches per dollar”, like - had my car serviced- there goes a Sinn. Or my septic line imploding and thinking- there goes a Submariner.
Maybe I can take the bus and shit in the yard.
 
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So what does it mean when I think of things in terms of “watches per dollar”, like - had my car serviced- there goes a Sinn. Or my septic line imploding and thinking- there goes a Submariner.
Maybe I can take the bus and shit in the yard.

Bus? there is almost a Timex in every trip with bus fare rates around here! Take a push bike instead or at worst Shanks Pony.
 
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Your age is not much more "advanced" than mine, so I'm not sure it has much to do with that.
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For me, I just buy what I like, and if I get anything for it or not when the time comes to sell, is irrelevant as I've enjoyed it while I've owned it.

Well, most collectors do not think about "successors" in time, and then great collections come to the market at one time and are auctioned under value, alone due the sheer number offered at once. I try to avoid that, by changing habits and beginning to sell one by one. The "selling rate" will probably leave me with still quite a number of watches/clocks, when I am 80 or so 😁.

Same with me, otherwise I would not have bought e.g. the Fromanteel clock just recently. In terms of investment, that was probably quite stupid ...🤔
 
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What I find interesting is that in the last 10 years or so, the whole "watches as investments" thing has really boomed. Driven by the insane prices that some models reached on the secondary market. I've also noticed that people seem to be a lot more accepting of certain things depreciating in value such as motor cars but not their watches. Retained value now seems to be a major factor in people's calculations about whether to pull the trigger on a watch. Perhaps it's how we can justify these purchases to ourselves. One actually needs a motor vehicle. A watch these days is really just a luxury.
 
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What I find interesting is that in the last 10 years or so, the whole "watches as investments" thing has really boomed. Driven by the insane prices that some models reached on the secondary market. I've also noticed that people seem to be a lot more accepting of certain things depreciating in value such as motor cars but not their watches. Retained value now seems to be a major factor in people's calculations about whether to pull the trigger on a watch. Perhaps it's how we can justify these purchases to ourselves. One actually needs a motor vehicle. A watch these days is really just a luxury.

Indeed - before this recent crazy time, being known as a "flipper" was just someone who went through a lot of watches, trying to find what they liked. It was something that cost you serious money, because pretty much every watch (yes Rolex included) lost value as soon as you left the store with it. So every watch you flipped, you lost money on. People always felt lucky to break even, and thinking of a watch as a "investment" was something most felt was pure nonsense.
 
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Indeed - before this recent crazy time, being known as a "flipper" was just someone who went through a lot of watches, trying to find what they liked. It was something that cost you serious money, because pretty much every watch (yes Rolex included) lost value as soon as you left the store with it. So every watch you flipped, you lost money on. People always felt lucky to break even, and thinking of a watch as a "investment" was something most felt was pure nonsense.
It is still nonsense.
 
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Perhaps it's how we can justify these purchases to ourselves.
I will say the idea of being able to get most of my money back if needed is a rationalization for spending so much on a watch. Of course the enjoyment of the watch is the primary objective. So not an investment, but not a money pit either. Although, I do have more money into my C-case than I could reasonably ask if I were to sell. Servicing is expensive and obviously adds to the cost of ownership.
 
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There was a story on one of the Business channels yesterday that reported that Millennials and Gen-Z are not as interested in the stock market as much as previous generations, instead they are very interested in collectibles and other non-standard vehicles (like bitcoin), so that may be a factor in all of this.