UPDATE: Ford Lightning (Full Electric F-150) -> [NOT] refusing my order

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There’s a BMW thread at the moment, about BMW having a subscription for heated seats, which thread I didn’t want to hijack but in the same vein:

I was supposed to be one of the first in Texas to take delivery of a new Ford Lightning, the new all-electric F-150. Not only was I excited about the truck, I was also excited about the truck’s ability to be used as a generator to run my home for up to ~3 days.

After a year of waiting, the truck is finally built and en route from the factory to my dealer. But Ford has so botched this roll out that I’m going to refuse delivery and “hand it backs to the dealership.

Ford botched this roll out by “partnering” with SunRun for installation of the either the charging station or the required equipment for home generation. Dealing with SunRun has been a fatal turn-off. They’re a solar equipment and installation company that seems completely incapable of this roll out.

Now, you can purchase the charging station and equipment from Ford and have another company do the installation, but Ford makes SunRun the only company with the equipment on hand to install it before your truck arrives. Ford otherwise will not ship you the equipment until weeks after truck delivery, and then it may take weeks for install, permitting, etc. So, Ford has pretty well forced people toward SunRun.

SunRun is a mess.

The first trouble was learning that the home generation functionality was going to require the installation of $5,000 worth of equipment in my home, requiring an additional $5,000 in labor costs. Hard enough to swallow a $10K pill, but SunRun went on to make it harder.

They refuse to give a cost break down (other than the headline parts v labor amounts above). They took months to deliver a headline quote. When they did deliver a “quote,” it was a text message merely relating the headline purchase price for the equipment. The “customer liaison” assigned to me was a kid who couldn’t think past his script, and couldn’t couldn’t understand why his text message to me purporting a headline cost wasn’t a “quote” (in any meaningful way). Then today, I got an email notification that SunRun had cancelled my service request altogether.

Why my service was cancelled, I haven’t even tried to call and ask.

Hard to convey the 2.5 months of ineptitude, leading to now my truck being delivered to my dealership any day, yet I still don’t have an idea as to how to get a charging station installed in my home, or a cost break-down for doing so.

All this, just to earn the privilege of handing Ford $90,000 for the truck itself.

And if I do buy that truck but in a few months dislike it and sell it, guess what becomes of the $10,000 of generation equipment now installed in my home?

The Lightning will be an amazing truck for somebody, but not me!
 
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Sorry to hear that. Also a bit confusing. I looked up the specs just now and saw this

"The second charging station, Ford’s 80-amp Charge Station Pro, unlocks the full home charging potential of the extended battery’s 19.2-kW dual onboard chargers that add 30 miles per hour to extended-range trucks."

It makes some sense why it'd be so costly. That's not just a dryer outlet. 80 amps!

But it said you could use a type 2 240V system. Granted, it's not as fast but it could work if you charge overnight.

Sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, I know. It's frustrating no doubt.

EDIT: another factor is the demand for electricity in Texas's independent (isolated) grid that is already strained to capacity. Batteries don't like 110 degrees. A coordinated national engineering program would help, but we know the difficulty with that. Half the population thinks wind generation is from the government that wants to enslave us.

Still, sad for you. I remember when you first said you wanted the truck.
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Major bummer.

There really needs to be a standard in the US for charging stations and connections. Nothing worse than dropping $$$ on proprietary equipment that likely won't work with other vehicles or even a new on from the manufacturer 5 years down the road.

From Ford's perspective, it was likely easiest for them to find a pardner (<-- Texas accent) who could handle all the electric equipment because they do not have the ability/ resources to do it themselves. Home solar companies make sense, but I can imagine it is easy to overwhelm them.
 
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Justified rant 👍 That's bad business practice.


Sorry to hear that. Also a bit confusing. I looked up the specs just now and saw this

"The second charging station, Ford’s 80-amp Charge Station Pro, unlocks the full home charging potential of the extended battery’s 19.2-kW dual onboard chargers that add 30 miles per hour to extended-range trucks."

It makes some sense why it'd be so costly. That's not just a dryer outlet. 80 amps!

But it said you could use a type 2 240V system. Granted, it's not as fast but it could work if you charge overnight.

I suspect it's 2 x 40 amps, not too much more that an electric cooker each. The bulk of the cost will not be charging the vehicle, it will be allowing the vehicle to power the premises. So expect solar-panel-type attachment to the domestic supply. There's a lot of control gear needed and the price will be in this "quoted" league.
 
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Crazy to hear.
I initially ignored the Lightning. I figured if I was buying a Ford truck it would be a Raptor, because of course that is what I need for my 50 mile all pavement interstate commute.
Then I happened to check out the Rivian R1T and was like, ok. This thing is pretty cool.
It was about that same time when pricing came out for the Lightning Pro model and once again I was like, ok. Electric trucks are pretty cool!
Especially a $40,000 one! But of course I was way late on the hype train.
I am still very interested in getting one. But I realize it would be at least another year unless I wanted to over-pay for one. Which I refuse to do with any car.
Hopefully they can get some stuff sorted out by then.
 
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Sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, I know. It's frustrating no doubt.

No worries at all!

80 amps!

But it said you could use a type 2 240V system. Granted, it's not as fast but it could work if you charge overnight.

Yea, part of the cost is that I need a panel upgrade to have space for the charger and/or generation capability. I’d love to tell you exactly which parts of the cost, but it’s still not clear - at least on the labor side of the equation.

Home solar companies make sense, but I can imagine it is easy to overwhelm them.

Truth is, home solar companies are no different than HVAC companies and other home equipment sales and installation business models. And in my experience these businesses have major weaknesses in talent, deployment, and execution.

Which means if you’re Ford, there’s a problematic bottleneck in your aspirations to now sell significant home equipment investments as an integral part of your vehicle sales business model.

MRC MRC
So expect solar-panel-type attachment to the domestic supply. There's a lot of control gear needed and the price will be in this "quoted" league.

Part of the frustration is that I have a 21Kw solar system already installed (from a competing manufacturer/installer), and I was disappointed to learn that none of it is relevant/redundant to the Ford-SunRun equipment.

SunRun basically installs all the Ford tech for free if you also agree to install a new solar system.
 
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... And in my experience these businesses have major weaknesses in talent, deployment, and execution

When I was a kid, the old guys would say "It's hard to find good help since the [Vietnam] war. All the good men died."

Even though they were busting my chops I had to laugh. It was such a good burn!

Feel free to use it, as needed 😁
 
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Part of the frustration is that I have a 21Kw solar system already installed (from a competing manufacturer/installer), and I was disappointed to learn that none of it is relevant/redundant to the Ford-SunRun equipment.

SunRun basically installs all the Ford tech for free if you also agree to install a new solar system.

That does sound like anti competitive behaviour, how legal is that in your area?

I totally understand your frustration and anger at the whole poorly thought out process.
 
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When I was a kid, the old guys would say "It's hard to find good help since the [Vietnam] war. All the good men died."

Even though they were busting my chops I had to laugh. It was such a good burn!
Sounds like they were burning themselves, as they were still alive.
 
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Rivian just looks better and better…
 
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Rivian will never look good😲.
Have you seen the R1S? I admit the truck has some ... ahem "awkward" angles...
 
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Have you seen the R1S? I admit the truck has some ... ahem "awkward" angles...
I have only seen the truck in real life and first thought was that bed won’t hold a 4x8 sheet of plywood.
 
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I have only seen the truck in real life and first thought was that bed won’t hold a 4x8 sheet of plywood.

Rivian owners wouldn’t know where to buy plywood. That bed is for snowboards and yoga mats, man. Nerds in my office drive ‘em. Much nicer in person than photos.
 
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Rivian owners wouldn’t know where to buy plywood. That bed is for snowboards and yoga mats, man. Nerds in my office drive ‘em. Much nicer in person than photos.
They are all over the place where I live. They are really cool looking but I could buy two Honda Ridgelines and have cash left over for the price of one of those.
 
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The Rivian storage pass-through is pretty cool, especially with the camp stove inserts, etc.

As for “my” Lightning: truth is, I barely drive these days, and my current (gasoline) truck is paid off with less than 35K miles. So, I’m choosing to view SunRun as having done me a favor. 😁

And since we’re having a third little kid early next year, I suppose we may be shopping for wife’s (bigger) car soon… 🤮
 
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I have only seen the truck in real life and first thought was that bed won’t hold a 4x8 sheet of plywood.
It actually does a little better than a 6.5 foot bed lightening. While the bed is not a full 6.5 the tail gate actually extends out a little further then the one in a lightning with a 6.5 bed. The Rivian is actually wider over all in fact. Yes some is the flares, but the bed will carry a standard sheet of plywood.

As for the price between a Rivian and the Ford. When you compare apples to apples range and feature wise the Rivian pulls ahead, unless you need to use your truck to power your house, or need a full standard truck 6.5 bed.

@Larry S One way I am justiying it over buy 2 much smaller ridgelines lol, is that the Rivian SUV scratches a few itches. One it is almost as great of a grand tourer as an M5. It will beat the snot out of a Jeep Rubicon offroad, and allows me to still retain the almost sports car like aspects that I will be giving up when I sell my beloved e46M3, and allow me to start to do some more serious offroading in the local mountains.

Plus us wierd SoCal people have cars that last decades, wear the same pair of flip flops for years, and only really spend money on cars as housing has become... insane lol. I will not lie I am selling both my M3 and a certain watch I purchased a few years back and never worn that has oddly tripled in price to make it logical. PLus I am grandfathered into the lower pricing plans.. think 30% less then-current pricing.