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I just saw that Uncle Seiko has issued the Holzer, the 1171 and Flatlink in 18mm.

https://www.uncleseiko.com/store/p264/Speedmaster_REDUCED_18mm_Bracelets_in_Various_Styles.html


He targeted this at the Speedy reduced but this could have possibilities for our 18mm lugged vintage pieces as well. I asked if this was the same bracelet as the others with a smaller endlink and he said they were a totally reworked bracelet with smaller scale.
This is huge for me as the factory bracelet for my 165.002 "companion" was the flatlink with 18mm endlinks, but they have become so scarce that the correct bracelets for that watch are actually far more valuable than the watch itself! Plus, how many vintage Omega's can I have with a BOR- would be nice to have another option.
Something like the Holzer would also be awesome on other vintage watches that took similar style bracelets (Zodiac, Zenith, UG, Movado, Bulova) and are as rare as hens teeth.
I'm hoping to pickup the Holzer and Flatlink to try on a few different watches, not just Omegas. The shape of the endlinks will determine which watches it could fit so it will be a gamble. if anyone beats me to it, please post the results.
 
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More bracelet options... 馃槜

At this rate I'm going to be spending more on bracelets while the flow of any pieces incoming will dry up 馃う
 
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I just saw that Uncle Seiko has issued the Holzer, the 1171 and Flatlink in 18mm.

https://www.uncleseiko.com/store/p264/Speedmaster_REDUCED_18mm_Bracelets_in_Various_Styles.html


He targeted this at the Speedy reduced but this could have possibilities for our 18mm lugged vintage pieces as well. I asked if this was the same bracelet as the others with a smaller endlink and he said they were a totally reworked bracelet with smaller scale.
This is huge for me as the factory bracelet for my 165.002 "companion" was the flatlink with 18mm endlinks, but they have become so scarce that the correct bracelets for that watch are actually far more valuable than the watch itself! Plus, how many vintage Omega's can I have with a BOR- would be nice to have another option.
Something like the Holzer would also be awesome on other vintage watches that took similar style bracelets (Zodiac, Zenith, UG, Movado, Bulova) and are as rare as hens teeth.
I'm hoping to pickup the Holzer and Flatlink to try on a few different watches, not just Omegas. The shape of the endlinks will determine which watches it could fit so it will be a gamble. if anyone beats me to it, please post the results.

Thanks for the info, @JwRosenthal. Please keep us updated - I am very interested to see if the flatlink will fit a vintage Connie.
 
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Thanks for the info, @JwRosenthal. Please keep us updated - I am very interested to see if the flatlink will fit a vintage Connie.
Send me a vintage Connie and I'll buy the bracelet 馃槈
 
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This is amazing news! I love the look and especially the feel of the flat link bracelet, but price wise I don麓t like it. I麓ve been thinking of exchanging the 7912/6 on my Seamaster 120 for a Uncle Seiko one, does any one know if it will fit?
 
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This is amazing news! I love the look and especially the feel of the flat link bracelet, but price wise I don麓t like it. I麓ve been thinking of exchanging the 7912/6 on my Seamaster 120 for a Uncle Seiko one, does any one know if it will fit?
It should if you keep the original end links.
 
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It should if you keep the original end links.
I was thinking of buying one 18mm and one 19mm, since they are not SEL they should be pretty easy to modify to fit (at least Im hoping they will be)...
 
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This is amazing news! I love the look and especially the feel of the flat link bracelet, but price wise I don麓t like it. I麓ve been thinking of exchanging the 7912/6 on my Seamaster 120 for a Uncle Seiko one, does any one know if it will fit?
This is the 19mm US Holzer on my 120, his Flatlink fits the same way. I did a little tweaking on the endlinks (just a touch of bending) to get the endlinks go sit more flush- it's a great fit I think
 
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I was thinking of buying one 18mm and one 19mm, since they are not SEL they should be pretty easy to modify to fit (at least Im hoping they will be)...
I found them to be as easy to fit as any other vintage hollow Endlinks. A friend of mine fitted the US 20mm Flatlink to a Borealis he has (SM300 case style) and he did a bit of trimming/sanding and bending and nailed the fit. Those endlinks are of course married to that case now- but he only wanted it for that watch.
Manipulating hollow endlinks was pretty standard practice back in the day as a factory bracelet was usually spec'd for multiple models. A few companies (like Omega and Rolex) did case specific endlinks (although the bracelets were fairly cross case friendly for economy), but even those weren't always perfect. I feel that ill fitting endlinks is part of bracelet ownership on vintage watches as many of us know (the gap- ohh the gap!), the rattle has become part of the charm.

My only concern is the endlink profiles. When swapping the US 20/19 Holzer and flatlinks around one various models (I got both sized endlinks for both bracelets to see what they fit), I found that most of my vintage watches with lower case profiles worked well, some close, and if I did a little tweaking they could be near perfect. Some were just way off-lugs too short or too long, case thickness too high and they sat under the case-line. It's a roll of the dice, but it's part of the fun I think.
 
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I found them to be as easy to fit as any other vintage hollow Endlinks. A friend of mine fitted the US 20mm Flatlink to a Borealis he has (SM300 case style) and he did a bit of trimming/sanding and bending and nailed the fit. Those endlinks are of course married to that case now- but he only wanted it for that watch.
Manipulating hollow endlinks was pretty standard practice back in the day as a factory bracelet was usually spec'd for multiple models. A few companies (like Omega and Rolex) did case specific endlinks (although the bracelets were fairly cross case friendly for economy), but even those weren't always perfect. I feel that ill fitting endlinks is part of bracelet ownership on vintage watches as many of us know (the gap- ohh the gap!), the rattle has become part of the charm.

My only concern is the endlink profiles. When swapping the US 20/19 Holzer and flatlinks around one various models (I got both sized endlinks for both bracelets to see what they fit), I found that most of my vintage watches with lower case profiles worked well, some close, and if I did a little tweaking they could be near perfect. Some were just way off-lugs too short or too long, case thickness too high and they sat under the case-line. It's a roll of the dice, but it's part of the fun I think.

First, that Holzer looks great on your Sm120!

There will always be some bending to make hollow ends fit, it is very rewarding once you get it right! I will order both 18mm and 19mm, and then see if I can make em work on my Jumbo bumper and Sm120. Super happy that someone re-created these wonderful bracelets!

I dream of the day someone creates the 19mm endlinks to fit my ph200m.
 
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First, that Holzer looks great on your Sm120!

There will always be some bending to make hollow ends fit, it is very rewarding once you get it right! I will order both 18mm and 19mm, and then see if I can make em work on my Jumbo bumper and Sm120. Super happy that someone re-created these wonderful bracelets!

I dream of the day someone creates the 19mm endlinks to fit my ph200m.
Definitely give it a try on the Certina- I was surprised at how many watches these endlinks came close on- and had I wanted to really do a little reforming- they would have made it (some reshaping upward and it would have fit my Helbros). But I was just playing around to see with which they worked best.
As I said in the first Holzer thread, the SM120 is an orphan. I beleive I have seen only 2 or 3 factory styles for these and they rarely come up, and when they do the are totally clapped out- and I'm not paying $3-400 for a bracelet that's trashed. The case profile is the issue for generic bracelets (like my period correct JBC Flatlink) as the 120 has a subtly curve and shallow lugs. Period ftermarket bracelets are usually too flat and low or too high and round- so much so that even bending and fitting couldn't make up for it. My JBC was the closest- but still not great. The 19mm US Holzer is the bracelet for these IMO- not just in fit but also style.
 
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Definitely give it a try on the Certina- I was surprised at how many watches these endlinks came close on- and had I wanted to really do a little reforming- they would have made it (some reshaping upward and it would have fit my Helbros). But I was just playing around to see with which they worked best.
As I said in the first Holzer thread, the SM120 is an orphan. I beleive I have seen only 2 or 3 factory styles for these and they rarely come up, and when they do the are totally clapped out- and I'm not paying $3-400 for a bracelet that's trashed. The case profile is the issue for generic bracelets (like my period correct JBC Flatlink) as the 120 has a subtly curve and shallow lugs. Period ftermarket bracelets are usually too flat and low or too high and round- so much so that even bending and fitting couldn't make up for it. My JBC was the closest- but still not great. The 19mm US Holzer is the bracelet for these IMO- not just in fit but also style.

If it would fit I would be super happy, need to buy and try!

I like how the Holzer look on the sm120, but I love the look and feel of my 7912, and the end links fit quite nicely after some tampering. It feels like I got the little brother of an old Speedy or a Seamaster 300 on my wrist.

 
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These look great and may have a multitude of uses, not just for the Reduced which is the ginger step child of Modern Omegas.

I do think @Uncle Seiko may have missed a trick in not releasing an 18mm Beads of Rice Design. Having said that one or more of these may work well on 50s/60s Seamasters and Connies.

Thanks Larry!
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I do think Larry AKA @Uncle Seiko may have missed a trick in not releasing an 18mm Beads of Rice Design. Having said that one or more of these may work well on 50s/60s Seamasters and Connies.

At $450 for a 3010/511, you might be right!
 
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These look great and may have a multitude of uses, not just for the Reduced which is the ginger step child of Modern Omegas.

I do think Larry AKA @Uncle Seiko may have missed a trick in not releasing an 18mm Beads of Rice Design. Having said that one or more of these may work well on 50s/60s Seamasters and Connies.

Thanks Larry!
I agree. I get why that may have been the least exciting offering as there are a bunch of various BOR reissues out there, and used factory BOR's aren't crazy prices (yet).
But every reissue I have seen has missed the mark in some way- too thick, doesn't taper to 16, wrong clasp- etc.
In fact, the only thing that held me back from getting the 20mm US BOR (to use on other 20mm lugged vintage watches other than the Speedy) is that it is a 20/18 taper and not 20/16, and it has that double clasp rather than the friction clasp which I find much more appropriate to the style.
Larry- if you are reading this: if the BOR you are currently offering is slow for sales- perhaps a reworked one at 20/16 with 19mm endlink also available- with your friction clasp. Then an 18/16 modeled after the Omega 5-row which is, in all honesty, the best vintage BOR that was made IMO.
 
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At $450 for a 3010/511, you might be right!
Yikes- I revise my former statement- maybe they are becoming crazy priced.
 
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Yikes- I revise my former statement- maybe they are becoming crazy priced.
For a bracelet directly from Omega that's actually not terrible.