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SgWatchBaron
·Watch has been pulled. Looks like he caught a novice and dealt privately, or saw this post and decided to put a red hand up...
“Ultraman” on eBay being sold by a clown who believes that he is better than the Omega Archival Team
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ConElPueblo
·I once swore to my self that I would discard all listings written in ALL CAPS and I stick to this to this day .... for good reason.
In the same category as "L@@K!!" 🙄
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speedamatuer
·Looks like he's back again, this time he has an extract... That doesn't prove anything.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-...-Cal-321-DO90-Bezel-For-repair-/112718015689?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-...-Cal-321-DO90-Bezel-For-repair-/112718015689?
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorHe did sell a 2998-2 a while back for $52K 😗
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ndgal
·He did sell a 2998-2 a while back for $52K 😗
https://www.ebay.com/itm/OMEGA-Spee...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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bags1971
·looks like theres some parts missing from the movement
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JimInOz
··Melbourne AustraliaHe did sell a 2998-2 a while back for $52K 😗
Well the first try was for USD$56K, so at least he dropped the price.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/112015538489?rmvSB=true
Interesting reading re the 2998-2
https://omegaforums.net/threads/2998-2-lollipop-on-ebay.40942/
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Buck2466
·Even if this is an Ultraman.....where do you go from here if you were to buy it? With everything that's missing on it, you could never get it back to original. Foolish at best!
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jetkins
·Correct me if I’m wrong - I’m just starting to learn this stuff - but didn’t all pre-Moon Speedies have exposed pushers?
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Correct me if I’m wrong - I’m just starting to learn this stuff - but didn’t all pre-Moon Speedies have exposed pushers?
No the 105.012 in1963 was the first with crown guards. Pre-moon refers to any watch without a caseback that states first watch on the moon from about 1972 in 145.022-71 models. So 145.012 are also premoon with crown guards.
Technically premoon is only 145.022’s without the moon caseback as that reference went into the late 80’s-90’s.
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jimmyd13
·Pre-moon refers to any watch without a caseback that states first watch on the moon from about 1972 in 145.022-71 models.
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MaiLollo
·Isn't the 145.022-69 with the straight writing on the caseback the first "Moonwatch", as opposed to a pre-moon? I thought they first made an appearance in 1971?
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Oh here we go again lol. I thought the accepted definition was that a Moonwatch was any 145.022 released to market after the very first instance of the caseback mentioning the landings which would have been a straight writing 145.022-69, presumably produced in early 1970. Anything before this with or without pusher guards is a Pre Moon. Thus a 145.022-71 No Nasa is still a Moonwatch is it not?
Isn't that contradictory? I mean the way I read it, you have the 105.012 as both a Pre-Moon and Moonwatch?
As far as I'm concerned, the first Moonwatch is the 105.012 in the 63 case, whilst a premoon is any Speedy up to the 145.022-69 non SW.
Isn't that contradictory? I mean the way I read it, you have the 105.012 as both a Pre-Moon and Moonwatch?
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VetPsychWars
·Huh, learn something new every day!
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jimmyd13
·Oh here we go again lol. I thought the accepted definition was that a Moonwatch was any 145.022 released to market after the very first instance of the caseback mentioning the landings which would have been a straight writing 145.022-69, presumably produced in early 1970. Anything before this with or without pusher guards is a Pre Moon. Thus a 145.022-71 No Nasa is still a Moonwatch is it not?
Isn't that contradictory? I mean the way I read it, you have the 105.012 as both a Pre-Moon and Moonwatch?
Perhaps we should coin the words "Moonwatch", "Premoon" and "Postmoon"?
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eugeneandresson
·Isn't the 145.022-69 with the straight writing on the caseback the first "Moonwatch", as opposed to a pre-moon? I thought they first made an appearance in 1971?
As far as I'm concerned, the first Moonwatch is the 105.012 in the 63 case, whilst a premoon is any Speedy up to the 145.022-69 non SW.
The way its defined in MWO makes the most sense and causes the least confusion : "A pre-moon model was one that was conceived before the first landing on the moon."
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jetkins
·Seems like I unwittingly opened a can of worms.
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MaiLollo
·Oh here we go again lol. I thought the accepted definition was that a Moonwatch was any 145.022 released to market after the very first instance of the caseback mentioning the landings which would have been a straight writing 145.022-69, presumably produced in early 1970. Anything before this with or without pusher guards is a Pre Moon. Thus a 145.022-71 No Nasa is still a Moonwatch is it not?
Isn't that contradictory? I mean the way I read it, you have the 105.012 as both a Pre-Moon and Moonwatch?
To me the moonwatch is the watch that is still produced today. And it traces back to the 105.012.
A premoon is, as stated in MWO, "a pre-moon model was one that was conceived before the first landing on the moon".
It's the way I see it, there is no right and wrong I believe, so you're free to disagree.
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Davidt
·The way its defined in MWO makes the most sense and causes the least confusion : "A pre-moon model was one that was conceived before the first landing on the moon."
Conceived - Manufactured/delivered/sold?
So you may have two identical 145.022-69's, made a few months apart, but indistinguishable in every way, one being a pre-moon and one not?
Is it a Speedmaster, -69 or earlier, without any moon landing text on the case back? If yes, it's a Pre-moon.
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eugeneandresson
·Conceived - Manufactured/delivered/sold?
So you may have two identical 145.022-69's, made a few months apart, but indistinguishable in every way, one being a pre-moon and one not?
The way I understand it (my $0.02) : 'the time of the conception of the watch'. I.e. at some time (lets say the last time to do this before the moon landing) Omega decided that they would make a watch with a case-back reference 145.022-69, hippocampus symbol on the back, stepped dial etc etc etc...thus all -69's with this exact conceived-before-moonlanding-configuration, regardless of when they were assembled, are pre-moon, and every single model prior to this. But perhaps my understanding is wrong...
