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Diabolik
·If we look closely, there is very little that tallies up (left is a re-print and right is original). However, i would still prefer the one on right. Far more character ! !
UG Tri-compax Dial " evolution, varience, service dial & redial referece guide " READ ENTIRE THREAD
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rolokr
·This one is sold as original... the "-" is not missing, I give you that...
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LaurentBxl
·I think the sellers mean its original to the watch ? Some sellers dont understand what " original " means !
My mistake, he quoted a well executed old redial.....
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rolokr
·My mistake, he quoted a well executed old redial.....
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Mlafra
·I am sorry to not be in agreement, but stright sixes and nines, without the curly end, in the date/seconds/minutes subdials are not necessarly a sign of a reprinted dial. Even though definetively less common than the other font with the curly ending they do exist, and I have seen several examples, both live as well as in picture. Universal Geneve sourced dials from more than one producer and it is to be remembered that even though they are indeed beautiful dials, they did not have the strict controls and checks that, for examples, Pateks or AP or Vacheron had, especially because the Tri-Compax was such a large success that the volume of production was immediately very high and with that the quality (slightly) suffered sometimes. The only think that does not convince me in the dial of the opener is the font of Universal Geneve (or to be more specific the ratio between thickness of it and its dimensions) and the fact that it just looks way too new and crisp (always harder to judge a dial without a watch to compare the overall conditions). And also the absence of the dash between "Tri" and "Compax" (even though there are also very rare examples of dials with the word TRICOMPAX written all together, without dash or space at all).
But for example the dial lastly posted by rolokr in its 14k claw lugs Tri-Compax appears completly genuine to me.
But for example the dial lastly posted by rolokr in its 14k claw lugs Tri-Compax appears completly genuine to me.
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rolokr
·I am sorry to not be in agreement, but stright sixes and nines, without the curly end, in the date/seconds/minutes subdials are not necessarly a sign of a reprinted dial. Even though definetively less common than the other font with the curly ending they do exist, and I have seen several examples, both live as well as in picture. Universal Geneve sourced dials from more than one producer and it is to be remembered that even though they are indeed beautiful dials, they did not have the strict controls and checks that, for examples, Pateks or AP or Vacheron had, especially because the Tri-Compax was such a large success that the volume of production was immediately very high and with that the quality (slightly) suffered sometimes. The only think that does not convince me in the dial of the opener is the font of Universal Geneve (or to be more specific the ratio between thickness of it and its dimensions) and the fact that it just looks way too new and crisp (always harder to judge a dial without a watch to compare the overall conditions). And also the absence of the dash between "Tri" and "Compax" (even though there are also very rare examples of dials with the word TRICOMPAX written all together, without dash or space at all).
But for example the dial lastly posted by rolokr in its 14k claw lugs Tri-Compax appears completly genuine to me.
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Diabolik
·I agree, it looks great. However, it is not something that came out of UG's dial printing workshop and while there are some examples with straight tails and sans serif fonts, they are mainly found on the older compur chronographs. I think you hit the nail on the head with your statement regarding the extraordinary NOS un-aged look of these so called 40s dials that seem to be popping up quite frequently.
Please provide evidence of the tri and tri compax as well as font variations. I am sure the forum would approach any claim of originality with an open mind and without bias. After all, we are all here to learn!
I don't agree with your evaluation of the 14k (most recently posted) example. I would like it to be genuine but I am not convinced. Although not absolute proof and all encompassing, Sala's book is a good guide.
Please provide evidence of the tri and tri compax as well as font variations. I am sure the forum would approach any claim of originality with an open mind and without bias. After all, we are all here to learn!
I don't agree with your evaluation of the 14k (most recently posted) example. I would like it to be genuine but I am not convinced. Although not absolute proof and all encompassing, Sala's book is a good guide.
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Diabolik
·OMG , I had another one mounted on a very 14k Tri-compax claw lugs . However, this a different style in the it has all arabic numerals. Ive had that dial for a minimum 5 years, but I think I bought it 8 years ago ! Im going to have to use all my spares to get all of my Tricompax having OD 's , check this dial ! Note this redial has the dash in Tri-compax. 6 and 9 's no tails like OP ! Maybe the best redial I personally have ever seen !
What reference and serial is that tri ?
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Mlafra
·A few examples I found. Different style of dials, from different places, with different states of conservation. All reprinted??
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Mlafra
·You can also find examples of this style of 6s and 9s on Sala's book on page 332, 336, 338, and 34.
It is about 15 different watches, put together quite fast. I am sure I can find more if I look a but more in depth. I am not saying every single one of those I posted, including Sala's ones, is orignal, I am just saying that even though definetively less common this kind of font does indeed exist and it is possible.
It is about 15 different watches, put together quite fast. I am sure I can find more if I look a but more in depth. I am not saying every single one of those I posted, including Sala's ones, is orignal, I am just saying that even though definetively less common this kind of font does indeed exist and it is possible.
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rolokr
·If anything , its a great discussion on the difficulty in determining 100 percent if a dial is original or not. Its starting hard for me to believe that there are so many Tri-compax dials with the straight 6s and 9s out there that ALL are redials ?
Was the quality of UGs dials variable with some having a better finish, thus weathering time better ?
Was the quality of UGs dials variable with some having a better finish, thus weathering time better ?
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Mlafra
·rolokr, I dont think so, the ones I posted show different levels of preservation and quality, different styles, with and without lume, with and without applied indices, all from the 40s or perhaps early 50s. Some have the dash between "Tri" and "Compax", some don't (but the majority do).
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Diabolik
·There are no 50s . All 40s from what I can see.
I still need convincing. Show me references and serial numbers. From there it would be possible to cross reference catalogues and archives.
This is an important and ground breaking discussion likely to be used as reference in future debates. I suggest me cAll for others who have far more knowledge and experience to join the discussion ...
Lous
Jordn
Woodwkr
Gigi
Bubawatch
I still need convincing. Show me references and serial numbers. From there it would be possible to cross reference catalogues and archives.
This is an important and ground breaking discussion likely to be used as reference in future debates. I suggest me cAll for others who have far more knowledge and experience to join the discussion ...
Lous
Jordn
Woodwkr
Gigi
Bubawatch
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rolokr
·Does anyone have UG Tricompax advertisement ads from magazines ?
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Mlafra
·I agree they are most likely all from the 40's.
I wont be able to give you Reference and Serial numbers for all of them, as I took them form the internet. Some I know though, in no particular order:
Ref. 12266 --> Serial 1244XXX
Ref. 22536 --> Serial 959XXX
Ref. 22242 --> Serial 11XXXXX
Ref. 12254 --> Serial 947XXX
Ref. 22250 --> Serial 1154XXX
Ref. 22541 --> Serial 1181XXX
Ref. 12552 --> Serial 1244XXX
Serial numbers might be useful to determine perhaps (and I stress perhaps) a period when this font was more used, but reference numbers are less useful as they only indicate case shape, material and type of caliber inside, they do not (and I stress do not) refer to dials in any way, shape or form. As a matter of fact UG's clients could choose and request the dial of their liking on any given reference, which makes it a nightmare now for us all collector to study them!
I wont be able to give you Reference and Serial numbers for all of them, as I took them form the internet. Some I know though, in no particular order:
Ref. 12266 --> Serial 1244XXX
Ref. 22536 --> Serial 959XXX
Ref. 22242 --> Serial 11XXXXX
Ref. 12254 --> Serial 947XXX
Ref. 22250 --> Serial 1154XXX
Ref. 22541 --> Serial 1181XXX
Ref. 12552 --> Serial 1244XXX
Serial numbers might be useful to determine perhaps (and I stress perhaps) a period when this font was more used, but reference numbers are less useful as they only indicate case shape, material and type of caliber inside, they do not (and I stress do not) refer to dials in any way, shape or form. As a matter of fact UG's clients could choose and request the dial of their liking on any given reference, which makes it a nightmare now for us all collector to study them!
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Larry S
··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.There are no 50s . All 40s from what I can see.
I still need convincing. Show me references and serial numbers. From there it would be possible to cross reference catalogues and archives.
This is an important and ground breaking discussion likely to be used as reference in future debates. I suggest me cAll for others who have far more knowledge and experience to join the discussion ...
Lous
Jordn
Woodwkr
Gigi
Bubawatch
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rolokr
·Does anyone know Sala personally ? It would be great if he would chime in !
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LouS
··Mrs Nataf's Other SonI'm reading along with interest. Providing reliable data here will take a little time however