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At $15.4 billion the cost of hosting keeps heading skyward
That is less than what the 2004 games cost! But Greece is really corrupt, so no surprise there...
 
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Interesting comment, and if I can possibly risk boring the hell out of you with an answer...

Olympic archery is a bit of an unusual sport, in that the bow hand has to stay very stationary, while the draw hand on the other side of the body is moving continuously during the shot. It may look in videos like they stop, but if they do it's sort of poor form - the shot should be one continuous motion. There is a device on the bow called a clicker, and the arrow goes under that little piece of metal, and when you draw the arrow through it, it will come to a point when it drops off the tip of the arrow, and clicks against a plate on the bow - this is the signal that you are at the right tension, timing, etc. and you are good to shoot. Not my video, but a good basic overview from Crispin himself:


This is with a bow that weighs maybe 6 pounds, but the draw weight (the tension on the string) when at full draw may be in excess of 50 pounds, held with just three fingers. It's very fine motor control of that draw weight and perfectly balancing that with the push of the bow arm that is the key. You don't really pull the bow with your arm muscles once you get past the very early part of pulling the string back, but with mostly back muscles, and by moving the scapula on the draw hand side, pulling those together and expanding the chest slightly. It takes tremendous strength and control to do it well.

So the difficulty, particularly mentally, is keeping that draw hand side moving at the risk of pulling the bow left or right, and the sight coming off the center. If you are near the part of the shot where the clicker is going to release, and the sight gets pulled off from the movement of the draw hand, the tendency is to stop pulling, which is very bad. I struggled with this hugely from a mental perspective under pressure, and I would stall out right near the point of executing the shot when the arrow was about to come through the clicker.

This is similar to the yips in golf when putting, and in darts they call it "dartitis" (not sure who thought that one up!), I think it's the yips in snooker, and in archery it's commonly called "target panic." It's the ting that any archer absolutely dreads having.

When I had that under control I was beating lots of people, and when it wasn't I was losing to lots of people. On the shooting line at most events, you have someone right beside you, and I had a very bad habit of shooting when someone else's clicker went off. Then at the Arizona Cup one year, and archer from Ireland was chatting to one of my team mates, and mentioned this issue. He showed me what hew as using, which was a "thumb clicker", so it was a wire with a pad on it the contacted my thumb, so when the clicker went off, it didn't make a sound, but tapped my thumb. There was a guy in Sweden making them, so I ordered a couple, and that greatly improved things.

So yes, it's very mentally demanding, and the people who are highly successful, like Crispin who has a bronze medal at the world championships, can control this far better than I ever could.

Cheers, Al

Not boring at all in fact quite the contrary! Thanks for that insightful and honest account.

I'd heard of 'dartitis' in darts players - we had Eric Bristow here in the UK who had publicised periods of it. I know affects other professions too - I've heard surgeons and dentists talk of it, not to mention musicians! Not too much is known about it and it's considered a type of dystonia although in some cases a simple practical difference seems to make a big difference and rewire the physical impulses.

Hope you are still enjoying the sport. To do anything at that level is noble!
 
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I'm getting excited. I don't really follow sports (though I compete in a couple at a very amateur level), and I think the Olympics have many issues as an institution... But I really like the games. It's so cool to see people pushing the human body to it's limits.

Side note - I saw Crispin compete at the Lancaster Archery Classic. Really phenomenal competitor. I hope he has a great Olympics.
 
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The archery bows look pretty sophisticated.

Seems to me (just my competition opinion) you give everyone the exact bow.

Something like this.


Everyone uses the same exact type of bow and arrows.
Same equipment takes a superior rig out of the equation.
Best Archer wins
 
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The archery bows look pretty sophisticated.

Seems to me (just my competition opinion) you give everyone the exact bow.

Something like this.


Everyone uses the same exact type of bow and arrows.
Same equipment takes a superior rig out of the equation.
Best Archer wins

Yeah, but not everyone's shaped the same. There's tons of little variables that are affected by individual anthropometry - draw weight, draw length, brace height, tiller, etc - that make it pretty unrealistic to have a 'one size fits all bow'.

The bows may look really elaborate, but they are really very similar in construction: everyone's got a riser, limbs, stabilizers, string, clicker, plunger, and sight. No one out there has a gear advantage. Everyone in the games has tried tons of setups and settled on what helps them shoot best.
 
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I got this thing against the olympics due to the corruption of the IOC and the amount of money tossed around but I don’t let that distract me from appreciating the talent and dedication of the athletes. I think they are taken advantage of by the IOC but that’s a different topic, just articles of read and a couple of expose on 60 minutes about the inner working of the organization (not the athletes) left a bad taste in my mouth but I always end up watching. I love boxing, seen a number of good players come up via the olympics but I always end up rooting for the underdog. Remember when Lithuania won, or how can you not root for the Jamaican bobsled team. Cuban boxers. Who is the most unlikely to win anything at archery, that’s who I’ll be hoping wins. Maybe it’s unpatriotic of me but I worked with a guy from Lithuania for years when I was doing mechanical work and at least once a week he’d bring up that basketball game, always made me laugh and I was happy for him. Does Lithuania have an archery team? I am now the #1 fan of Lithuanian archery. I guess I better learn their names.
 
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Ah darn it not looking good


TOKYO (AP) - Olympic medal predictions by AP beat writers:

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ARCHERY

Mixed Team

Gold: South Korea

Silver: India

Bronze: United States

Men’s Individual

Gold: Brady Ellison, United States

Silver: Kim Woojin, South Korea

Bronze: Mauro Nespoli, Italy

Women’s Individual

Gold: Kang Chae Young, South Korea
 
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The games may yet be cancelled because of some Covid positivity.
 
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Took my boys (8 and 10) to an archery club two months ago. I don't know why but I love this sport despite never tried it myself. I understand the self control, the inner peace, the balance it takes to take that shot and I am so fascinated for them. They both seem to enjoy it for now :fingers crossed
Wishing the best to your friends!!
 
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Yeah, but not everyone's shaped the same. There's tons of little variables that are affected by individual anthropometry - draw weight, draw length, brace height, tiller, etc - that make it pretty unrealistic to have a 'one size fits all bow'.

The bows may look really elaborate, but they are really very similar in construction: everyone's got a riser, limbs, stabilizers, string, clicker, plunger, and sight. No one out there has a gear advantage. Everyone in the games has tried tons of setups and settled on what helps them shoot best.

At the battle of Hastings they just had a simple long bow made from something like oak or beech, well certainly wood anyway, and they were all shooting at moving targets and did more than ok. They didn’t each have a different type of bow so I think it’s just excuses to say you have to take all this into account. I think long bow archery should make it to the olympics, who is best with a long bow, rather than who is the best archer.
 
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Thanks for sharing all of this, Al. Olympics is a fantasy for most of us. Your posts make it real.

As for the Canadian archery team..,

 
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There’s no way they will win the covid olympics with those tiny numbers we are at 50k a day and to celebrate we’ve removed all covid restrictions. As of next month you won’t even need to self isolate, in fact if you work in the medical industry you already don’t need to self isolate. We will hit 250k before the olympics even start, no country has done more and we will easily get that gold medal.
 
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Interesting comment, and if I can possibly risk boring the hell out of you with an answer...

Olympic archery is a bit of an unusual sport, in that the bow hand has to stay very stationary, while the draw hand on the other side of the body is moving continuously during the shot. It may look in videos like they stop, but if they do it's sort of poor form - the shot should be one continuous motion. There is a device on the bow called a clicker, and the arrow goes under that little piece of metal, and when you draw the arrow through it, it will come to a point when it drops off the tip of the arrow, and clicks against a plate on the bow - this is the signal that you are at the right tension, timing, etc. and you are good to shoot. Not my video, but a good basic overview from Crispin himself:


This is with a bow that weighs maybe 6 pounds, but the draw weight (the tension on the string) when at full draw may be in excess of 50 pounds, held with just three fingers. It's very fine motor control of that draw weight and perfectly balancing that with the push of the bow arm that is the key. You don't really pull the bow with your arm muscles once you get past the very early part of pulling the string back, but with mostly back muscles, and by moving the scapula on the draw hand side, pulling those together and expanding the chest slightly. It takes tremendous strength and control to do it well.

So the difficulty, particularly mentally, is keeping that draw hand side moving at the risk of pulling the bow left or right, and the sight coming off the center. If you are near the part of the shot where the clicker is going to release, and the sight gets pulled off from the movement of the draw hand, the tendency is to stop pulling, which is very bad. I struggled with this hugely from a mental perspective under pressure, and I would stall out right near the point of executing the shot when the arrow was about to come through the clicker.

This is similar to the yips in golf when putting, and in darts they call it "dartitis" (not sure who thought that one up!), I think it's the yips in snooker, and in archery it's commonly called "target panic." It's the ting that any archer absolutely dreads having.

When I had that under control I was beating lots of people, and when it wasn't I was losing to lots of people. On the shooting line at most events, you have someone right beside you, and I had a very bad habit of shooting when someone else's clicker went off. Then at the Arizona Cup one year, and archer from Ireland was chatting to one of my team mates, and mentioned this issue. He showed me what hew as using, which was a "thumb clicker", so it was a wire with a pad on it the contacted my thumb, so when the clicker went off, it didn't make a sound, but tapped my thumb. There was a guy in Sweden making them, so I ordered a couple, and that greatly improved things.

So yes, it's very mentally demanding, and the people who are highly successful, like Crispin who has a bronze medal at the world championships, can control this far better than I ever could.

Cheers, Al
Always a delight for me when someone shares their knowledge, and the more obscure that knowledge, the more delightful it is. Thank you. I too will now be looking out for the archery competition on the olympics.
 
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Always a delight for me when someone shares their knowledge, and the more obscure that knowledge, the more delightful it is. Thank you. I too will now be looking out for the archery competition on the olympics.
Totally agree with this, so interesting reading your comments archer.
 
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Took my boys (8 and 10) to an archery club two months ago. I don't know why but I love this sport despite never tried it myself. I understand the self control, the inner peace, the balance it takes to take that shot and I am so fascinated for them. They both seem to enjoy it for now :fingers crossed
Wishing the best to your friends!!

Nicely put. Got me wondering if archers (and Archer will know this!) use movement disciplines like Alexander Technique quite widely. I would have thought it hugely beneficial not only physically but mentally in terms of the feedback it seems to give, and especially relevant to how Archer described possible inhibition of fine motor control.
Not sure fingers crossed is a good technique btw 😀
 
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Price won't be as tight as this, but they a good indication of the relative odds on offer. Prices are in decimal and do not include the stake. Canada are the outsiders in this event. About 200/1 in Mixed teams. And no individual odds available on Stephanie Barret.

Men's Gold Medal Winner Price
ELLISON, BRADY 2
WOO-JIN, KIM 3.5
JE-DEOK, KIM 4
JIN-HYEK, OH 5
NESPOLI, MAURO 6.5
MOHAMAD, KHAIRUL ANUAR 7.5
DAS, ATANU 9
D'AMOUR, NICHOLAS 11
GAZOZ, METE 12
DUENAS, CRISPIN 66

Women's Gold Medal Winner Price
BARBELIN, LISA 7
BROWN, MACKENZIE 9
CHAE-YOUNG, KANG 2.5
CHIEN-YING, LEI 10.5
KUMARI, DEEPIKA 3.3
MIN-HEE, JANG 5.5
SAN, AHN 4
UNRUH, LISA 12
VALENCIA, ALEJANDRA 7.5
YA-TING, TAN 10.5

Men's Team Winner Price
SOUTH KOREA 1.25
USA 4
ITALY 10
GERMANY 10
INDIA 12
NETHERLANDS 13
CHINA 14
AUSTRALIA 16
CHINESE TAIPEI 16
FRANCE 33

Women's Team Winner Price
SOUTH KOREA 0.66
CHINESE TAIPEI 5
INDIA 5.5
MEXICO 12
GERMANY 14
RUSSIA 14
CHINA 30
ITALY 50
USA 50
GREAT BRITAIN 80
JAPAN 100
UKRAINE 125
BELARUS 250
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The archery bows look pretty sophisticated.

Yes, sophisticated equipment is certainly a problem in competition. So in addition to the changes you are suggesting for archery, I think that the IOC should mandate that all running events must be run in bare feet in order to ensure no technical advantages of these new things called “shoes” makes the competition unfair.

Also this is new bicycle that will be used for all cycling events, the Pennyfarthing:



All tennis players will be using these wooden racquets with gut strings:



All golf events will use wooden shafted clubs:



All shooting events will use the blunderbuss:



This is truly a game changer idea mate!

😉
 
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Well, archery we are certainly a long shot (I don't believe I said differently) but rankings or odds don't get you medals, you have to perform on the day. That is what any competition is about - just beating whoever is there on that day.

However Canada is off to a good start at these Olympics, as our women's softball team beat Mexico 4-0, and our women's soccer team is up 1-0 early on against Japan, with team captain Christine Sinclair scoring her 187th international goal.
 
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Australia off to not as good a start, one of our athletes just got sent home after testing positive to something starting with c that isn’t COVID. Why you wouldn’t keep your nose out of the snow in Japan of all places for the Olympics I’ll never understand.