To wind or not to wind

starcraft · May 10, 2019

i have a watch that is running 1min+ slow per DAY.
its mechanical-manual wind; service history unknown (probably none); dated 2004.

Can I still wind and wear it without damaging the movement?
I love this watch 😉

JimInOz · May 10, 2019

"a watch"

🙄

What watch?

Is it worth spending money on a service or should you just bin it?

asrnj77 · May 10, 2019

starcraft
i have a watch that is running 1min+ slow per DAY.
its mechanical-manual wind; service history unknown (probably none); dated 2004.

Can I still wind and wear it without damaging the movement?
I love this watch 😉

The watch is from 2004? You can wear it but if you get it serviced it will be more accurate.

starcraft · May 10, 2019

JimInOz
"a watch"

🙄

What watch?

Is it worth spending money on a service or should you just bin it?

of course i will service it, but that will take time.
panerai 😀

JimInOz · May 10, 2019

starcraft
of course i will service it, but that will take time.
panerai 😀

Service history unknown on a watch from 2014?
It's losing time for a reason.
Put it away until you can divert cash flow from non-essentials (food, wine, traffic fines, alimony, mortgage etc) to a watch servicing fund.

Omegafanman · May 10, 2019

I guess it depends on the type of service service you use. I have used the full Omega service and it is expensive but the watch comes back like new. Anything broken or worn gets replaced /polished. Of course some major parts (like a new crystal) are extra but most things are covered (hands/crown etc). On that basis I am happy to wear a newer watch longer / get my monies worth. If I want to use an independent and minimise service costs plus keep original parts then I agree with @JimInOz …service it at regular intervals. Having said this I am talking Omega so you need to check what a full service Panerai covers.

Canuck · May 10, 2019

JimInOz
Service history unknown on a watch from 2014?
It's losing time for a reason.
Put it away until you can divert cash flow from non-essentials (food, wine, traffic fines, alimony, mortgage etc) to a watch servicing fund.

It is from 2004, not 2014. That makes it close to 15 years old. If there is no interest in preservation of the watch for the future, use it the way it is until it dies. Then turf it. Otherwise, have it serviced and get better performance out of it for many years. Not a tough decision in my view.

Archer · May 10, 2019

starcraft
Can I still wind and wear it without damaging the movement?

Simple answer - no.

All the other things about what is more cost effective, etc. are a different thing altogether.

starcraft · May 10, 2019

Archer
Simple answer - no.

All the other things about what is more cost effective, etc. are a different thing altogether.

thanks for your answer archer. i love the watch and want to get it serviced by panerai. apparantly richmont donot supply parts to independants. at least thats what a watch maker told me (including seals and main springs)

starcraft · May 10, 2019

Canuck
It is from 2004, not 2014. That makes it close to 15 years old. If there is no interest in preservation of the watch for the future, use it the way it is until it dies. Then turf it. Otherwise, have it serviced and get better performance out of it for many years. Not a tough decision in my view.

its not that i wasnt going to service it. the issue is i have to fly to a capital city in order to get to an AD to drop it off for service. this is not cheap so i was going to wait until i had a different reason to goto the city and drop off the watch at the same time. this might be 6 months...

oddboy · May 11, 2019

Every watch is sacred
Every watch is great
If a watch is wasted,
God gets quite irate

Service the watch and wear the hell out of it!

redzer007 · May 11, 2019

starcraft
its not that i wasnt going to service it. the issue is i have to fly to a capital city in order to get to an AD to drop it off for service. this is not cheap so i was going to wait until i had a different reason to goto the city and drop off the watch at the same time. this might be 6 months...

Where do you live? Postal or courier not an option? If flying you are probably talking about 4 flights as best case scenario you are looking at a couple of weeks turn around time

Archer · May 11, 2019

starcraft
thanks for your answer archer. i love the watch and want to get it serviced by panerai. apparantly richmont donot supply parts to independants. at least thats what a watch maker told me (including seals and main springs)

What model is it? I service ETA based Panerai's all the time...

77deluxe · May 11, 2019

I would imagine Unitas parts would be easy to source. Not so much if it is the Panerai in-house movement.

rkman11 · May 11, 2019

A Panerai from 2004 should be an ETA movement, which would be easily serviced by any competent local watchmaker. At 1/3 of the time and price. Do that, then wear and enjoy for another 5 years, rinse and repeat.

starcraft · May 11, 2019

Archer
What model is it? I service ETA based Panerai's all the time...

hi archer. its PAM183. its the manual wind radiomir black seal. uses ETA, not in house.

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starcraft · May 11, 2019

in that case, is there any reputable watch makers in brisbane?
watch tech quoted $700 and stated unable to replace ANY parts including rubber gasket and main spring...

Archer · May 12, 2019

starcraft
in that case, is there any reputable watch makers in brisbane?
watch tech quoted $700 and stated unable to replace ANY parts including rubber gasket and main spring...

I don't have any recommendations, but in my experience the mainspring can be bought from most reputable watch material suppliers. If you find a watchmaker with a parts account with Swatch/Omega they can order a new 6497-2 mainspring easily by ordering a spring for the Omega Cal. 2201. Most of the parts from that movement (6498-2) are the same as the movement in your watch. The only exception I can think of off the top of my head would be the fourth wheel, but those are also easily obtained from a parts supplier, at least here in North America.

For the seals, I service Luminors most of the time, but I've not had any issues getting a case back seal for them. The seals for the crown take some work, but I've found those as well for the Luminor models.

I'm not familiar with the servicing market in Australia, but $700 to service this with no parts included is a strong price certainly.

Cheers, Al

Archer · May 12, 2019

rkman11
A Panerai from 2004 should be an ETA movement, which would be easily serviced by any competent local watchmaker. At 1/3 of the time and price. Do that, then wear and enjoy for another 5 years, rinse and repeat.

Just FYI - I know most people think ETA with the earlier models, but Panerai was using movements from different makers at the time, so not all of them were ETA (the majority were).

For example the 190 used a JLC Cal. 877 8-day movement. The PAM 098 that was 42 mm and had a GMT and alarm complication (one I've always wanted by the way) used a Girard-Perregaux movement. This was also used in the PAM 046.

I use both those movements as examples because neither JLC (Richemont) or G-P will sell movement parts to independent watchmakers, so knowing the specific watch and movement is important for giving advice, or in my case, taking the job on or not.

Cheers, Al

To wind or not to wind

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JimInOz

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JimInOz

Omegafanman

Canuck

Archer

starcraft

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oddboy

redzer007

Archer

77deluxe

rkman11

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