Thoughts please on a IWC Cal.853

Posts

425

Likes

1,721

la_lusigne

·Feb 17, 2020

Hello,

I've recently discovered these models of IWC featuring a pellaton automatic movement. I find them pretty attractive and I've come across this one :

In my opinion the case seems pretty sharp, the dial does not seem redone but the crown doesn't seem original.
What is your opinion ?

Best regards

 

Posts

12,646

Likes

17,080

gatorcpa

·Feb 17, 2020·ΩF InvestiGator

la_lusigne

the dial does not seem redone

Seems like a redial to me. Please compare this with yours. The font is different:


https://rmgallagher.co/products/1958-iwc-automatic-cal-853?variant=8111156985953

Take care,
gatorcpa

 

Posts

425

Likes

1,721

la_lusigne

·Feb 17, 2020

gatorcpa

Seems like a redial to me. Please compare this with yours:


https://rmgallagher.co/products/1958-iwc-automatic-cal-853?variant=8111156985953

Take care,
gatorcpa

I haven’t seen that. Thanks i see now. I’ll pass on this one

 

Posts

262

Likes

108

nkb

·Feb 18, 2020

la_lusigne

I haven’t seen that. Thanks i see now. I’ll pass on this one

Hi!

Before you write it off as a redial please compare the font style with the following valuable reference.
There were many script variations (of "International Watch Co") on vintage IWC's depending on different manufacturing periods (or eras as I would like to call it) !
The "Schauffhausen" was block capitals either straight or slanted slightly to the right.

 

Posts

262

Likes

108

nkb

·Feb 18, 2020

A clearer image!

 

Posts

425

Likes

1,721

la_lusigne

·Feb 18, 2020

nkb

A clearer image!

wow thank you for that document, it will help a lot !

 

Posts

4,949

Likes

18,345

Shabbaz

·Feb 18, 2020

Yes. Redial. Lots of them out there!

 

Posts

262

Likes

108

nkb

·Feb 18, 2020

la_lusigne

wow thank you for that document, it will help a lot !

Happy to help. You can also get the advice from the IWC Collectors Forum if you want to authenticate a piece. I signed up there and they have been very helpful!


I love these vintage IWC's and hope one day I can get to own one (not a redial!)

 

Posts

262

Likes

108

nkb

·Feb 18, 2020

Shabbaz

Yes. Redial. Lots of them out there!

gatorcpa

Seems like a redial to me. Please compare this with yours. The font is different:


https://rmgallagher.co/products/1958-iwc-automatic-cal-853?variant=8111156985953

Take care,
gatorcpa

Also if you look at your IWC (Gatorpa) the minute marker dot at each hour marker is larger than the dots for minutes in between which is an indicator of its authenticity whereas the OP's dial the minute markers are all the same size. For me that indicates a redial.

 

Posts

425

Likes

1,721

la_lusigne

·Feb 18, 2020

I have another question regarding these IWCs : are black dial versions genuine ?
Like this one :

As you mentioned above dots on the hour markers are bigger than the other ones so it tips the balance on the right way.

 

Posts

12,646

Likes

17,080

gatorcpa

·Feb 18, 2020·ΩF InvestiGator

I’m always wary of black dials unless I can see very sharp pictures and another example in a catalog.

I cannot say much about this particular watch.
gatorcpa

 

Posts

21,152

Likes

48,254

Dan S

·Feb 18, 2020

la_lusigne

are black dial versions genuine ?

Black dials exist, but not all of them are genuine.

 

Posts

4,949

Likes

18,345

Shabbaz

·Feb 18, 2020

I saw a lot of these and I think I've owned almost 10 of these but I never saw one with a black dial. Does that mean they did'nt exist? No. But I would like to see a lot more pictures which need to be super sharp and where the text is visable.

 

Posts

138

Likes

109

CDCD

·Feb 18, 2020

I'm inclined to say it is a redial. Font looks a bit bold.

Best.

 

Posts

816

Likes

3,843

lindo

·Feb 18, 2020

la_lusigne

wow thank you for that document, it will help a lot !

Thanks for this resource from me as well. I went straight to my much loved IWC and confirmed its dial.