Forums Latest Members

Thoughts on watch modification?

  1. zizzi Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    36
    Likes
    14
    Was wondering what are everyone's thoughts on modifying a watch (with authentic service parts), and where would you draw the line (if at all). For example, I really like the Speedmaster pulsations dial and am thinking of replacing the Tachymeter bezel of mine with a pulsations dial.
     
  2. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    15,491
    Likes
    32,381
    It's your watch, do as you please (bezel/dial? which one are you thinking of?).

    I have no issues with owners making their "own" watch.

    As long as it's disclosed if you ever decided to sell it on, so keep any original parts.
     
    DaveK, Chye, gostang9 and 4 others like this.
  3. jaguar11 Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    2,697
    Likes
    17,114
    Your choice on your property. Do what you want. A lot of mods can be reverted back to original so if we are talking changing a dial or hands then as long as you keep the original items then why not if it makes you smile? Of course I would echo the sentiments of the previous poster in that if you do sell on in modified form then full disclosure is a must.
     
    zizzi likes this.
  4. S.H. Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    1,518
    Likes
    3,538
    In your specific case , I would barely view it as a mod, more like an option or a special order. (isn't it possible to request a decimal or pulsation bezel when buying new?)
     
    looselywound, Longbow and zizzi like this.
  5. zizzi Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    36
    Likes
    14
    Thanks for everyone's thoughts, I had found out about the existence of a pulsations dial when I was watching Mr. Aurel Bacs talking about his collection and instantly fell in love with it. Since then I've been reading up about modifications and have been amassing several parts that intend to modify on my Speedmaster. Was hoping to make a project out of it and will be sending them to a watchmaker to get them fitted on after the new year. Was thinking about blogging on this experience but not sure how interested people would be on it?
     
    LeonDeBayonne likes this.
  6. LeonDeBayonne Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    677
    Likes
    1,264
    If you think about it, a lot of watches have been modified. How many 60s and 70s speedmasters are still in the same condition as when they were sold? How many dials have been relumed and swapped? How many inserts have traveled from case to case? As said above, as long as watches are fitted with genuine Omega parts and changes are disclosed when possible, most people do not care (at least those you may be interested in interacting with). And to answer your last question, yes, I believe people would be very interested in your experience.
     
  7. Longbow Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    1,813
    Likes
    9,323
    I guess by pulsations dial you mean mean pulsations bezel; one of the four main options (still) available for the Speedmaster Professional. You can get the parts from Omega and (in my experience) if the OB has a watchmaker the swap can be done on-site. I had my Tachy bezel swapped for a decimal one.
    62DD4DB6-CE72-4670-A652-4C2F346CB225.jpeg

    Pre-
    EF70D28F-2355-47CE-8600-2B4EE1344BDA.jpeg

    Post-
    12EB68BB-2311-4882-9E37-272226A26D85.jpeg

    The decimal bezel Omega part number shown above is 082ST1450012DE

    There are pulsations dials (Seamaster, Chronostop...) but I can only remember seeing one Speedmaster with such a dial, the Rattrapante. This thread might interest you:-

    https://omegaforums.net/threads/what-are-some-interesting-pulsation-dial-watches.69794/
     
    Edited Dec 22, 2019
    looselywound, zizzi and whyboddau like this.
  8. S.H. Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    1,518
    Likes
    3,538

    I like the decimal bezel on the speedy a lot, more symmetrical. Not very useful IRL, but who uses a tachy scale regularly anyway? Not many people probably.
     
    Mouse_at_Large and LeonDeBayonne like this.
  9. Longbow Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    1,813
    Likes
    9,323
    Well, my employer uses decimal minutes in their time booking system so actually more useful than the Tachy scale for me.
     
    S.H. likes this.
  10. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    26,463
    Likes
    65,604
    There are 5 bezel options total for the regular Speedmaster Pro case:

    082SU1589 | STEEL BEZEL TACHY - BLACK RING

    082SU1589DE | STEEL BEZEL DECIMAL 0-100

    082SU1589PU | STEEL BEZEL RING PULSOMETER

    082SU1589TE1 | STEEL BEZEL TELEMETRE1 - in kms

    082SU1589TE2 | STEEL BEZEL TELEMETRE2 - for those stuck in the 19th century...

    Cheers, Al
     
    Longbow likes this.
  11. Pvt-Public Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    2,318
    Likes
    3,107
    When I bought my first Seiko Bellmatic it had a silver dial, silver hands and a silver alarm ring. It was difficult to read at a glance. Since I had bunches and bunches of spares and parts, I changed the hands and alarm ring to black. Better contrast and easier to read.
    With silver hands
    82ED5B9B-F1D5-4D5A-94DC-366B561203E8.jpeg
    with black hands
    6000BD15-CA94-4078-ABBD-4641A836E5A1.jpeg
     
    Edited Dec 22, 2019
  12. hanky6 Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    374
    Likes
    878
    I think its fine, do what you want. As long as you dont make a copy of, for example, the Mitsukoshi and try to sell it as one of the genuine originally made.
    My Mitsukoshi mod:
    38C8BA8A-A21D-4BBB-86E3-9D489D0EA57F.jpeg
    My own build with only genuine Omega parts:

    D01CEEED-0160-4D41-AF57-8BDAC03D7A01.jpeg
     
    zizzi, LeonDeBayonne and whyboddau like this.
  13. zizzi Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    36
    Likes
    14
    I did mean pulsations bezel sorry about the confusion
     
  14. zizzi Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    36
    Likes
    14
    Brilliant! Thanks for the contributions and I'll update everyone about the progress of the mods! As of now I'm planning to swap in the pulsations bezel, the dial of the 35th Anniversary Speedmaster and the Alaska Project chrono hand.
     
  15. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    15,491
    Likes
    32,381
    zizzi likes this.
  16. zizzi Dec 22, 2019

    Posts
    36
    Likes
    14
    Ooooo that looks really similar to what I'm aiming at.
     
  17. base615 Dec 23, 2019

    Posts
    1,024
    Likes
    3,926
    I have 2 modified Speedies, one with a pulsation bezel and one with a Mitsukoshi mod. I also have all the parts, apart from the watch, to make a smurfmaster like this if I get around to buying another Speedy:

    [​IMG]

    I think it’s clear I have no issue with modding. As others have said, don’t pass something off for something it isn’t in a sale and keep the original parts.

    You may also get lucky unlike me. I was going to buy a couple of Tin Tins for modding as nobody wanted them and they were dirt cheap. I didn’t so it goes in the list of bad watch mistakes I’ve made, along with selling a very nice Baby Ploprof for $1,400 4 years ago just before they went ballistic lol.
     
    zizzi and Eve like this.
  18. Chye Dec 23, 2019

    Posts
    295
    Likes
    1,458
    Another vote for the 'it's your watch, do what you want, but full disclosure if you ever decide to sell it' camp.
    Here's a pic of 3570.50 heavily modded with genuine Omega parts. Now gone ...

    Omega Speedy Mod P2.jpg Omega Speedy Mod P3.JPG Omega Speedy Mod P4.JPG
     
    zizzi likes this.
  19. Eve Dec 23, 2019

    Posts
    1,497
    Likes
    4,920
    The Gemini mod is insane :thumbsup:::love::
     
    base615 likes this.
  20. gpssti4 Dec 25, 2019

    Posts
    350
    Likes
    549
    Yes, mod away. It’s your watch so you can do what you like with it. I’ve a few that have been played with. Only caveat is full disclosure when selling on.