Thoughts on my 'not entirely original' Cosmic Moonphase (2471/1)

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I am curious about a ballpark value as this watch has some issues, but might still hold some desirability to the right person. Also would be interested if anything looks off to anyone, other than what it mentioned below.

A little over 20 years ago I became obsessed with all things watches and fell in love with the look of these vintage Omega triple dates. I bought this particular one off of eBay after searching for a nice example for months. I believe I spent about $1300 on it at the time. It worked beautifully and I wore it often for 10 years or more, it was my only watch.

Around 15 years ago I was out at dinner, looked down to check the time and to my horror, both the watch crystal and bezel were completely missing! The bezel must have loosed at some point and fell off, luckily during that time I did not hit the exposed dial on anything but I did also lose the second hand. I was devastated, but I carefully brought my watch home and through some other watch enthusiasts help, found someone that could fabricate a new bezel. I sent it out, waited a few months and finally it was back up in running. I enjoyed it for many more years, but over the last decade, it has spent most of its life in a drawer and lately I have begun to think it might be time to put it up for sale and let someone new enjoy it.

The current condition is:
1. The moonphase is not functioning and the pusher is stuck in. I've had the moonphase repaired on 2 occasions. The last watchmaker that serviced it said they can no longer work on vintage Omegas due to the unavailability of parts.
2. The bezel and crystal are not original, the bezel I had fabricated is more rounded, but blends in nicely.
3. The second hand is also a replacement. Otherwise, I believe the rest is all original and seems to be working well, aside from the moonphase.

I don't really like the idea of selling on eBay, although I've had good luck and positive history there, so probably the most likely scenario. I guess I am hoping to have some general sense of value since sold listings are all over the map. Appreciate any thoughts/adivce, thanks!

 
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It's essentially a parts watch. The two key pieces of this model - dial and movement - both have problems. The dial has been chemically cleaned in the past and has had some of the original markings cleaned away. The movement as you pointed out is not working properly and the parts are not easy to find. And then add to that the fact that the case itself also has a replaced bezel.

I too have a special interest in this model but unfortunately this one just has too many issues with it.
 
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Appreciate the response, never thought about the dial being cleaned before, but that makes sense to me. Wasn't sure if that was normal wear over the years, at least I don't think it's a redial.

I thought at one point I might try to find a trashed example to source an original bezel, but even those cost a fair amount if one comes up for sale. Eventually I gave up, plus, I don't mind the bezel and it gives the watch a story, that's how I looked at it. That's not such a good story however for a potential new buyer, and I fully understand it.

If I were to put this up for sale and let the market decide what it is worth, I would want to present it properly, and a 'parts' watch probably is the way to go. Will have to give it some thought, luckily I don't need the money per se, just seems foolish to keep stored away until I'm no longer around馃榾
 
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Maybe an attempt to remove radium??? Maybe the varnish was terrible?
I think it still presents well as an old Omega. If you no longer are in love with it, do your best to describe what is wrong with it and expect to get 50% of a nice one.
Does it still keep time? Fixing the moon phase portion should be simple for any decent watchmaker.
Crystal is not an issue. Bezel ring is a doozie to replace.
my $.02
 
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Maybe an attempt to remove radium??? Maybe the varnish was terrible?
I think it still presents well as an old Omega. If you no longer are in love with it, do your best to describe what is wrong with it and expect to get 50% of a nice one.
Does it still keep time? Fixing the moon phase portion should be simple for any decent watchmaker.
Crystal is not an issue. Bezel ring is a doozie to replace.
my $.02
I personally never had the dial touched, if it was cleaned it was a long time ago. I think it looks very nice in person, the photos I attached are not as flattering馃榾 I also think that if someone was looking for a decent example of this watch and not hung up on the bezel, they would never even notice it was a replacement. That said, I would never pretend otherwise, and it's quite obvious to those who are familiar, I just feel like the machinist did a decent job with what they were working with.

It does seem to run fine and the other functions work properly, I have not tested how fast or slow it is, but now that I have it out I gave it a winding and will see how it does.

Looking at recent past sales, one with a somewhat similar dial sold for almost $4K and a fairly trashed non working one for almost $1500! If I could sell mine for something similar to the latter, I would be pretty happy to be honest.
 
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Did the $1500 one have a nice bezel? ::stirthepot::
I wonder if that sale was even real, watch looks totally trashed, not sure it's even salvageable!
 
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This is how the dial should look like. While this dial has some mostly peripheral blemishes you can see the differences. And it did not have lume originally.

 
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It's essentially a parts watch. The two key pieces of this model - dial and movement - both have problems. The dial has been chemically cleaned in the past and has had some of the original markings cleaned away. The movement as you pointed out is not working properly and the parts are not easy to find. And then add to that the fact that the case itself also has a replaced bezel.

I too have a special interest in this model but unfortunately this one just has too many issues with it.
I've read about, and seen the effects of, chemical cleaning many times over the years, but I'm still none the wiser about exactly which chemicals are used to remove some lacquer/dial surface colouration but not all details, such as the printed Arabic numbers?
 
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This is how the dial should look like. While this dial has some mostly peripheral blemishes you can see the differences. And it did not have lume originally.

That's gorgeous, I wonder if that cleaning that took off the painted look of the dial was common, I feel like I've seen a few examples that look like the one I have.
 
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I wouldn鈥檛 say parts watch. Moonphase probably doesn鈥檛 work as the stuck button shifted the advance arm and therefore moon gear is not in contact with the going train.

Unstick button and arm will move back to proper position

Bezel doesn鈥檛 look bad and dial looks as good as some others on EBay.

Stick it on eBay with a BIN of what you paid. Mention the problems and see how it goes
 
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I wouldn鈥檛 say parts watch. Moonphase probably doesn鈥檛 work as the stuck button shifted the advance arm and therefore moon gear is not in contact with the going train.

Unstick button and arm will move back to proper position

Bezel doesn鈥檛 look bad and dial looks as good as some others on EBay.

Stick it on eBay with a BIN of what you paid. Mention the problems and see how it goes
I'm no watchmaker, but I am a long time fabricator used to dealing with very small precise mechanisms. Is there a way to attempt to unstick the pusher without removing the movement?
 
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I'm no watchmaker, but I am a long time fabricator used to dealing with very small precise mechanisms. Is there a way to attempt to unstick the pusher without removing the movement?
Need to remove the back to check, but might not have the space to work. Perhaps they need a touch of watch makers grease. Dried out from years of non use. If you have a watch maker. See if he can unstick it
 
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Need to remove the back to check, but might not have the space to work. Perhaps they need a touch of watch makers grease. Dried out from years of non use. If you have a watch maker. See if he can unstick it
Actually, it appears a small part is loose, possibly part of the pusher mechanism. I went to gently unstick it and the pusher is loose and there is a small round metal piece loose. The balance wheel is moving so I need to wait until the watch winds down to better see what is going on.

I put my camera on macro and tried to get a photo, should be pretty obvious to someone what this is. Fun times.

 
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I'm no watchmaker, but I am a long time fabricator used to dealing with very small precise mechanisms. Is there a way to attempt to unstick the pusher without removing the movement?
No, movement has to be removed for any work. The stuck pusher does not look fitting here. Maybe a replacement from a different vintage brand ? I'd expect to find a bent gear ...
 
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FWIW, been monitoring the watch after winding yesterday afternoon and I'm impressed with how accurate the timing is after 24 hours or so.

If I decide to sell, I probably will do the BIN on eBay with full disclosures on what I have learned here. First I need to see what is up with this loose part once the watch finally winds down!