Thoughts on this 5513 please

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JamieG

·Aug 22, 2019

Hopefully going to view this 5513 tomorrow. I’d be interested in the thoughts of people on the forum re originality etc.

I think it looks pretty good and honest.

Unfortunately I don’t know much about it in terms of age other than its approximately 35 years old. I don’t know the serial number range and this is the only picture I have just now. Thanks for your help.

 

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Traveler

·Aug 22, 2019

Personal preference but I like 5513s to have ‘pure’ matt dials, no metal around the plots.

 

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ICONO

·Aug 22, 2019

Vintage Rolex Subs are now, a complete minefield…

We need many more hi res images to make a realistic assessment

Watch from all angles …especially profiles of both the lugs, and the crown guards ?

Photographs of the back, of the lugs ?

Clear images, ( sans bracelet ), from between the lugs… of both serial numbers ?

Shots of movement, and inner case back ?

Bracelet serial numbers ?

 

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JamieG

·Aug 22, 2019

ICONO

Vintage Rolex Subs are now, a complete minefield…

We need many more hi res images to make a realistic assessment

Watch from all angles …especially profiles of both the lugs, and the crown guards ?

Photographs of the back, of the lugs ?

Clear images, ( sans bracelet ), from between the lugs… of both serial numbers ?

Shots of movement, and inner case back ?

Bracelet serial numbers ?

I’ll see what I can do. Although I doubt I’ll be allowed to open it up and remove the bracelet. I can only ask.

 

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ICONO

·Aug 22, 2019

JamieG

I’ll see what I can do. Although I doubt I’ll be allowed to open it up and remove the bracelet. I can only ask.

Seeing the state of play, between the lugs…is crucial

If the Seller is serious…They will accede

What’s the historic provenance ?

 

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JamieG

·Aug 22, 2019

Friend of mine told me about it. Belongs to someone his Wife knows. I don’t know anymore than that right now.

I realise it’s all very vague and not really much help in establishing if it’s real, franken or fake. I’m going with an open mind.

I’ll take the tools I have and a loupe. Hopefully I’ll be allowed to at least take the bracelet off.

 

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watchknut

·Aug 22, 2019

I love what I see and would buy it based off that single pic.

All depends on the price.

It has killer patina, the case is fat, the crown guards look strong, brushing is nice on top of lugs, insert is correct, consistent and honest wear.

Thumbs up from me.

Then again I paid a small fortune for a 5512 gilt based only on this pic...

 

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Ville_W

·Aug 22, 2019

Just based on this picture it doesn’t look bad. Case in decent condition and matching hands and Indexes. Personally my opinion is that matt dial is a must on a 5513. It’s important is to check if s/n match production year of glossy dial so it’s not replaced. I’m not sure what bezels is the right for a very late 5513. It’s looks like a Mk3 which can be late for a glossy dial.
My say hello and wish you luck.

 

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cchen

·Aug 23, 2019

Ha, I was looking at this one too. Bad pics and auction house can't remove the bracelet to show the serial. I'm afraid it might be a service dial and from pics crown guards are uneven. I'd like to see it in person too but too far away. Pass.

 

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Darlinboy

·Aug 23, 2019·Pratts! Will I B******S!!!

I think it may prove to be a service dial/hands but would want to know serial & see better photos.

 

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JamieG

·Aug 23, 2019

It’s been an interesting day. It turns out to be at an auction not a private sale. They wouldn’t let me take the bracelet off to check serial number but I did get some more pics

Date code on the clasp is K12 which I believe is 1986, could be some serious remedial work done (new dial, hands and bracelet) back then or it could actually be it was new.

Slightly miffed that I was led to believe it was a private sale when it wasn’t, but what can you do?

I don’t really know enough to value it, so my gut feel is to not bother

 

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wristpirate

·Aug 23, 2019

Go with your gut

 

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Ville_W

·Aug 23, 2019

If you don’t get info so you feel comfortable just go away. You will get more opportunities.

 

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ndgal

·Aug 23, 2019

JamieG

They wouldn’t let me take the bracelet off to check serial number

How incredibly stupid of them.
Looks like an honest early to mid 80's 5513. But on the flip side of that, it could also be a late 60's or 70's 5513 that was serviced sometimes in the 80's and got a (period) service dial, hands, insert, & bracelet. (seen plenty of those). Without knowing the serial, it is impossible to know...

 

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JamieG

·Aug 23, 2019

ndgal

How incredibly stupid of them.
Looks like an honest early to mid 80's 5513. But on the flip side of that, it could also be a late 60's or 70's 5513 that was serviced sometimes in the 80's and got a (period) service dial, hands, insert, & bracelet. (seen plenty of those). Without knowing the serial, it is impossible to know...

Which makes it really hard to put a value on it.

Condition is best described as “well used” but it still doesn’t give me many clues as to the actual age

 

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ICONO

·Aug 23, 2019

Any auction house worth it’s salt, would either have images between the lugs …or permitted you to remove the bracelet

Simply that lack of transparency, would have me walking away

Those lugs have been refinished, at some point

Far too defined, for 35 year old watch…there is some wear…but nowhere near enough, for the time frame

 

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mrs_LA

·Aug 23, 2019

Surely the dial, bracelet and hands are 80s. Either original to the watch or service replacements. The box beside it in the first picture looks to be from the 80s as well.

If the price is very attractive it might be worth picking up. If you do want a completely honest example, it might be best to pass given the vagueness coming from the auction house

 

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squarelug

·Aug 23, 2019

Personally, a little vague for me. Hold out for something that doesn't involve doubts. If you bargain hunt, you get burned IMO

 

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JamieG

·Aug 24, 2019

Sold for £5000 plus commission which made it £6200. Mostly internet bidders but went to another in the room.

 

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cchen

·Aug 24, 2019

Overpriced.