Thoughts on this 1940s cal 321 Chronograph rose gold?

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Considering this piece cal 321 from 1944-1946 rose gold. Asking price is $6,000 with 3-y warranty, serviced this year. Redial, crown original. Thoughts on price considering it's a redial? do these pieces increase in value over time?

 
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the repainted dial completely kills any collectible value.
 
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the repainted dial completely kills any collectible value.
100% this. The repainted dial means it is worth "cost of the movement" + "cost of the case" as parts at most. Likely scrap value of the case, plus value of a movement. Looks like a 321 is ~$2500 as a complete movement, but I have no idea what the case itself could be worth (again, likely scrap value as a gold one).
 
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Another approach is the value of a correct one minus the value of a correct dial (and then deduct another 1-2k). But I think you then end up at parts value as well
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No where near a $6k watch for me
Yeah agreed. Maybe a touch over half that ($3500 maybe?) which is about $1k for the case + movement.
 
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Yeah agreed. Maybe a touch over half that ($3500 maybe?) which is about $1k for the case + movement.
It’s a chronograph watch with a soft 14k case and a redial.

Surely the movt is only worth what someone with a similar reference would pay (not Speedmaster movt value) or for parts.

Someone who wants a pretty, vintage, 14k chronograph might pay a premium but I doubt anyone who knows what they are looking at and realises what it is would pay anything near $3,500 for this watch.
 
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It’s a chronograph watch with a soft 14k case and a redial.

Surely the movt is only worth what someone with a similar reference would pay (not Speedmaster movt value) or for parts.

Someone who wants a pretty, vintage, 14k chronograph might pay a premium but I doubt anyone who knows what they are looking at and realises what it is would pay anything near $3,500 for this watch.
I was just going off of it being a 321 movement, which in working condition goes for about $2500 best I can tell. Plus $1000 or so in gold, it is a bit of "sell it for parts" value. I will say my $1000 estimate is about 50% WAG though.
 
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It's a bit pointless to speculate, but I don't think you can get anything close to $2500 for a generic cal 321. Maybe $1k for parts at most. To be valuable, a cal 321 would need a serial an extract connected to a special Speedmaster.
 
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It's a bit pointless to speculate, but I don't think you can get anything close to $2500 for a generic cal 321. Maybe $1k for parts at most. To be valuable, a cal 321 would need a serial an extract connected to a special Speedmaster.
I just went by 'sold' listings on Ebay:

First I saw was this crusty one for $1200 missing about 1/2 of it: https://www.ebay.com/itm/127294728144?

$2600 for the most recent 'working' version: https://www.ebay.com/itm/226794154544?

$2750, but accepted an offer, but also has dial/hands: https://www.ebay.com/itm/297233640755?

$750 for this one, but it wasn't Omega branded? : https://www.ebay.com/itm/146666231956?

Current available listings:

$2200 but for a bit of a mess: https://www.ebay.com/itm/127339930930?

$2800 for a cleaner one, but claims 'for parts' but isn't immediately clear why it isn't comlete: https://www.ebay.com/itm/204626484852?
 
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I just went by 'sold' listings on Ebay:

First I saw was this crusty one for $1200 missing about 1/2 of it: https://www.ebay.com/itm/127294728144?

$2600 for the most recent 'working' version: https://www.ebay.com/itm/226794154544?

$2750, but accepted an offer, but also has dial/hands: https://www.ebay.com/itm/297233640755?

$750 for this one, but it wasn't Omega branded? : https://www.ebay.com/itm/146666231956?

Current available listings:

$2200 but for a bit of a mess: https://www.ebay.com/itm/127339930930?

$2800 for a cleaner one, but claims 'for parts' but isn't immediately clear why it isn't comlete: https://www.ebay.com/itm/204626484852?
I'm an idiot on the last one, missing the balance 😁
 
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They obviously go for a little bit more in Europe, I could easily see that selling for $6k in the UK. Maybe not to a collector, but just someone who wants a nice looking vintage watch. Yes some of the numbers on the dial don't match up, but that won't matter to lots of people.

If you like it and want to keep it long term then go for it, especially if you can argue for a big discount.
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They obviously go for a little bit more in Europe, I could easily see that selling for $6k in the UK. Maybe not to a collector, but just someone who wants a nice looking vintage watch. Yes some of the numbers on the dial don't match up, but that won't matter to lots of people.

If you like it and want to keep it long term then go for it, especially if you can argue for a big discount.
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No one is paying anywhere near $6k for that, even in the UK, unless they’re a complete novice and it’s being sold by a high end dealer with a fancy showroom. By the same token, the same shops sell basic Seamaster DeVilles for $4k. It doesn’t mean they’re worth $4k
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$6k??? Are you the seller?
It's not that much for a vintage watch over here, there's a stainless on on ebay at the moment with a more obvious redial up for £4.5k (>$6k), I expect they'll get close to that.

The gap isn't as big as it used to be, I bought my first seamaster in the US for 1/2 the UK price (after taxes) about 20 years ago.
 
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No one is paying anywhere near $6k for that, even in the UK, unless they’re a complete novice and it’s being sold by a high end dealer with a fancy showroom. By the same token, the same shops sell basic Seamaster DeVilles for $4k. It doesn’t mean they’re worth $6k
But that was my first comment, dont assume that everyone is a collector, most people aren't. They see a nice looking watch and just buy it, if that one has a 3yr warranty then that will have more value to most than the fact the 6's don't match on the sub-dials.
 
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If the question is;
Is a high end dealer capable of selling this watch for $6k? The answer is yes.

The question was,
“Asking price is $6,000 with 3-y warranty, serviced this year. Redial, crown original. Thoughts on price considering it's a redial? do these pieces increase in value over time?”

The answer from a collector with even a basic knowledge of vintage Omega watches is “absolutely not. Only a novice would consider paying that for this watch. You wouldn’t get anywhere near that back for the watch if you ever wanted to sell and with a bit of patience you could get a nicer watch at a lower price”.

Just because eventually an unsuspecting buyer is likely to pay $6k, doesn’t mean it’s worth it.
 
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If the question is;
Is a high end dealer capable of selling this watch for $6k? The answer is yes.

The question was,
“Asking price is $6,000 with 3-y warranty, serviced this year. Redial, crown original. Thoughts on price considering it's a redial? do these pieces increase in value over time?”

The answer from a collector with even a basic knowledge of vintage Omega watches is “absolutely not. Only a novice would consider paying that for this watch. You wouldn’t get anywhere near that back for the watch if you ever wanted to sell and with a bit of patience you could get a nicer watch at a lower price”.

Just because eventually an unsuspecting buyer is likely to pay $6k, doesn’t mean it’s worth it.

Fine, it's a dreadful investment, and should be avoided if you think that you'll ever want to sell it in the future.

However, most people do not think of a watch as an investment. To them it's just a piece of jewellery, so it's worth is whatever someone is willing to pay on any given day. Nothing to do with being unsuspecting, it's future value is far less relevant than it's aesthetic.

They should just stick it on ebay (international) and it will sell for close to asking, just might take a couple of months.
 
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Have you even read the OPs comments. He’s asking about buying not selling.

Also, investment is irrelevant. Even (or especially) when buying to keep, people are generally looking to find the best quality and the best price. $6k for this watch is the reverse, poor quality at a high price.
 
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Kicked off quite a discussion with this one 😅 .. thanks everyone for your comments! Very new to this, but will remember redial big no no. Super interesting to read through the comments!