These alleged 1:1 knock offs.

Archer · Jun 1, 2019

watchos
What I don't understand is why a watch maker that is capable of doing what could be argued to be "good work" decide to create a knock off vs building their own watches/brand? Or am I just being naive?

They make fakes of Seiko 5's, so why not something that is going to make them a LOT more money? I think the answer is clear that they can make more with these than with their own brand...

corn18 · Jun 1, 2019

The really good fakes can be had for $400. The one in that video was $418.

watchos · Jun 1, 2019

Walrus
No not naive but fakes are a multi billion dollar business. If they take the time to build machines to make watches similar to the machinery used in Switzerland you can begin to see the magnitude of the issue. I was looking at one of the subs on Reddit where the fake watch guys congregate and apparently many of these are made to order and the Chinese company making them sends you a “QC” photo prior to them sending it to you. I have no proof other than what I read but I did pipe in one time asking them why they would spend over a thousand on a fake when so many quality real watches can be found for that price. I was not answered, I guess the answer is just because. I just hope those people aren’t purchasing these with the intent to scam but I’m not the watch police anyway

I don't like to pass judgment without knowing, but it seems to be designed to scam people into thinking it's originals. Not for actually people knowingly buying fakes.

watchos · Jun 1, 2019

Archer
They make fakes of Seiko 5's

That's just mind boggling.

STANDY · Jun 1, 2019

watchos
That's just mind boggling.

Google fake egg.

michael22 · Jun 1, 2019

There's a couple of markets.
Firstly, the buying dupe, who thinks he is buying a real Rolex.
Secondly, the guy who knowingly buys a fake, so as to dupe his peers into thinking he is a Rolex owner.

There are a lot of people out there who gain satisfaction from tricking people. It is their chosen MO in life, or some aspects of life, & they put effort into making it work.

Walrus · Jun 1, 2019

watchos
I don't like to pass judgment without knowing, but it seems to be designed to scam people into thinking it's originals. Not for actually people knowingly buying fakes.

In reality a large percentage of these items must be. There is definitely a crowd of people who seek these things for personal enjoyment but no doubt a very large amount are made to sell as legit.

STANDY · Jun 1, 2019

watchos
I don't like to pass judgment without knowing, but it seems to be designed to scam people into thinking it's originals. Not for actually people knowingly buying fakes.

Walrus
In reality a large percentage of these items must be. There is definitely a crowd of people who seek these things for personal enjoyment but no doubt a very large amount are made to sell as legit.

I think more are made for the fakers, the people that want to look more affluent than they are.
Rarely you see these sold in a capacity to fleece people that actually want the real product.
Anyone in a SE Asian country being annoyed by a street vender trying to sell a Rolex for $100 does not think they are getting the real thing 😉

redpcar · Jun 1, 2019

I'm a tall American, so I stick out in Asia. On a business trip to Beijing, I had a guy following me working on a Rolex sale. He started at $3K and I just ignored him. Finally, he got down to $25. I stopped, turned around, and said wait a second, you would have sold me that $25 watch for $3K? -Yes- . And you don't have any problem with that? -No-
I just said "wow" and kept walking.

larryganz · Jun 1, 2019

77deluxe
Watchco are parts watches using all genuine omega parts. While they were not assembled by Omega, all parts were made by omega. Most sellers do not try to hide this from potential buyers. The difference in market price between an omega assembled and issued SM300, and a watchco is reflected in a difference of thousands of $$$.

The WatchCo's that had an Extract of the Archives showing that the movement was originally sold in an SM300 were commanding a bit more money - they were essentially what you'd get from Omega if you dropped your vintage SM300 off a bridge and then sent it to Omega for a full service, with Omega replacing all the damaged or old and faded parts.

Walrus · Jun 1, 2019

redpcar
I'm a tall American, so I stick out in Asia. On a business trip to Beijing, I had a guy following me working on a Rolex sale. He started at $3K and I just ignored him. Finally, he got down to $25. I stopped, turned around, and said wait a second, you would have sold me that $25 watch for $3K? -Yes- . And you don't have any problem with that? -No-
I just said "wow" and kept walking.

Ya had a similar issue in Shanghai but they followed me around with a glossy catologue containing pics of thirty or so watches saying I could get anyone in this “catalogue”. What made it worse was I was waiting outside a store where my wife was doing her notoriously slow browsing so they continued to accost me then come back again every ten minutes or so. I didn’t even get to see the fake watches just pictures of real watches that they had fakes of somewhere in the area.

Darlinboy · Jun 1, 2019

I’m noticing some unusual internet traffic from this thread over to Reddit. ::stirthepot::

(feeling guilty?😉)

STANDY · Jun 2, 2019

Darlinboy
I’m noticing some unusual internet traffic from this thread over to Reddit.

(feeling guilty?😉)

Going to reddit after being on this forum would do my head in.
------------- <how annoying >
---------------------<is it to read>
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( had to try hard to do the above here )

Walrus · Jun 2, 2019

I wonder if a fake could ever be made so well a fake is made of a fake. Like someone impersonating a really good Elvis impersonator.

Thrasher36 · Jun 2, 2019

You can't tell a watch is fake by the wearer especially when it comes to adult men. Yes maybe a kid in a beat up Honda but I will tell u the old guy down the street from me looks like an old drunk ( he is a retired engineer that worked on the Glomar Explorer and many other ships including the Queen Mary when it first came to Long Beach..also a diver in the Navy when young ) and has an old pickup truck and a basic 1960s house. Open his garages and behold his 1932 Pierce Arrow and 1931 Auburn Boat tail. the whole back of his lot is a two story garage with more vintage goodness than is comprehensible and if I ever need a complex part machined for a gun or motorcycle this guy can do it. I also years ago saw him pop a wheelie on a 1960s Triumph while wearing a vintage leather football helmet.

larryganz · Jun 2, 2019

Today I'm out slumming in cargo shorts and a life is good t-shirt, with Salomon hiking shoes and a Rolex ceramic Pepsi GMT II, and nobody asked me about my watch and whether it was real or fake.

corn18 · Jun 3, 2019

larryganz
Today I'm out slumming in cargo shorts and a life is good t-shirt, with Salomon hiking shoes and a Rolex ceramic Pepsi GMT II, and nobody asked me about my watch and whether it was real or fake.

I'm the opposite today. VP at megacorp working on a bid for a $900M program. I am wearing my $12 Casio that makes me smile every time I look at it. And yes, it is real.

rcs914 · Jun 3, 2019

corn18
The really good fakes can be had for $400. The one in that video was $418.

I thought that Watch Finder said it was over a thousand pounds? Or were they saying that fakes can cost over a thousand pounds?

corn18 · Jun 3, 2019

rcs914
I thought that Watch Finder said it was over a thousand pounds? Or were they saying that fakes can cost over a thousand pounds?

A google search will find the $1200 fakes. A little digging will find the exact same watches for $400. Then there are the street fakes for $25.

axl911 · Jun 3, 2019

corn18
A google search will find the $1200 fakes. A little digging will find the exact same watches for $400. Then there are the street fakes for $25.

Are these N**b v9 fakes you are referring to?

If so, then yes, they are scarily close to the real thing, including the movement.