The NTTD - some thinking... UPDATE

Airbus · Jun 20, 2022

So, like many others but late to the game I'm really warming up to this watch, so much that I'm considering buying one. If the resale value goes down, so OK. Lets just say that I have owned a couple of Breitlings... But what do you think the general view will be on this piece a few years from now? Long forgotten or something that still will hold some kind of value? Since it is so related to the film with all the marks and numbers - a gimick and a bit tacky?

On the other hand, it is still a Seamaster 300m but in titanium and with other changes, right? You could say that the Nektar is a little bit of the same?

I like the standard 300m, but I think it is too heavy on the bracelet. The NTTD wears really good on me mesh and with the Ti...

Would be great to hear your opinion.

the_drunk_dial · Jun 20, 2022

I think its a unique Seamaster on it’s own. I have one, and I’m not a fan of James Bond. The branding is subtle enough for me. If you like it and have the means, go for it. As far as holding it’s value, my guess is you’ll lose money on it.

Mspeedster · Jun 20, 2022

I have been very interested in the NTTD Seamaster since it was announced in Dec. 2019. It's really the only 300M that I've ever truly liked, regardless of the Bond connection.

I rarely sell my watches so resale value is not something I care about that much about. First and foremost, I have to absolutely love the watch. Such is the case for the NTTD, the only thing that has been holding me back is its price. I'm glad that it's not a limited edition, because that gave me time to save up and see if I really still love the watch when the time is right. That time might be coming soon.

Short term, I expect that prices will be cheaper on the used market. But this is still a special edition watch, produced in lower numbers. So long term, once production ends (who knows when) I'd expect it may appreciate in value.

PandaSPUR · Jun 20, 2022

Impossible to know, but most likely it will lose value and be forgotten by the general community.

Unless some future Bond themed Omega becomes super popular and unattainable (like what the current Snoopy did to the previous Snoopy values) or Omega itself becomes unattainable.

Donn Chambers · Jun 20, 2022

Mspeedster
I have been very interested in the NTTD Seamaster since it was announced in Dec. 2019. It's really the only 300M that I've ever truly liked, regardless of the Bond connection.

I rarely sell my watches so resale value is not something I care about that much about. First and foremost, I have to absolutely love the watch. Such is the case for the NTTD, the only thing that has been holding me back is its price. I'm glad that it's not a limited edition, because that gave me time to save up and see if I really still love the watch when the time is right. That time might be coming soon.

Short term, I expect that prices will be cheaper on the used market. But this is still a special edition watch, produced in lower numbers. So long term, once production ends (who knows when) I'd expect it may appreciate in value.

I have also been considering one of these, but grey market prices are at retail or higher at the moment. And these are mainly new, unworn pieces. Have not found any true used ones to establish if they will decrease significantly. Seems like the resellers are betting on it to keep going up like the Spectre limited edition.

Airbus · Jun 20, 2022

Donn Chambers
I have also been considering one of these, but grey market prices are at retail or higher at the moment. And these are mainly new, unworn pieces. Have not found any true used ones to establish if they will decrease significantly. Seems like the resellers are betting on it to keep going up like the Spectre limited edition.

Interesting. I also noted that the Spectres has gone up. Still - that one is more of a standard 300m with different second hand and bezel insert. The NTTD is a more special model - a very different watch compared to the standard SMP.

nola22 · Jun 20, 2022

Hard to approach watch buying with resale in mind if you are a true aficionado; buy what you like. Sure it’s not a Rolex so you are always going to lose something, but it’s still an omega and it’s got some material difference (titanium) to justify some premium over standard 316L stainless (Ti is a more expensive metal). That should translate to the resale market in the long run as it sits amongst a sea of standard 300M Seamasters.

I think the watch has a TON of character, the patina elements, the domed crystal and the mesh bracelet is def a difference maker. I, too, fell in love with it at first sight; then I tried it on and realized 2 things. 1, it’s a bit slim for me after years of wearing Planet Oceans and 2, the vintage style doesn’t work for me no matter how hard I try. It’s like short sleeve button downs, they are trendy and stylish; but they just don’t wear well on me for some reason. No question Daniel Craig pulls it off.

If you like it go for it, and I would buy the NATO with it just to have it while it’s avail; I think it looks amazing on NATO. If you need help finding one, as they float in and out of stock, shoot me a PM. My AD has one.

stevec14 · Jun 20, 2022

Donn Chambers
I have also been considering one of these, but grey market prices are at retail or higher at the moment. And these are mainly new, unworn pieces. Have not found any true used ones to establish if they will decrease significantly. Seems like the resellers are betting on it to keep going up like the Spectre limited edition.

I think it’s more of a case of a rising tide lifts all boats - in other words omega used prices are in the same bubble as everyone else’s (even tag’s and zentiths are holding value if you believe some sites).

I think once the madness stops, this will be available at a discount - don’t forget, the mesh bracelet version was £1k cheaper about 6 months ago Pre price rise.

I wouldn’t expect this will make any money, even when discontinued (I suspect there will be many more than the spectre out there), but I hope it does come down as I too would pick one up at the right price - it just isn’t £8k for me…..

Mspeedster · Jun 20, 2022

Airbus
Interesting. I also noted that the Spectres has gone up. Still - that one is more of a standard 300m with different second hand and bezel insert. The NTTD is a more special model - a very different watch compared to the standard SMP.

If your main concern is resale value, buy the Spectre. It's a limited edition and has appreciated even though the new heritage 300 looks very similar, Omega even added the lollipop minute hand.

OTOH, if you truly love the NTTD for the watch that it is (as I do), buy it and never look back. As you say, it's very unique compared to other 300Ms. I feel Omega put a lot of effort into this one, as it was meant to be Craig's swan song Bond watch.

stevec14 · Jun 20, 2022

Mspeedster
If your main concern is resale value, buy the Spectre. It's a limited edition and has appreciated even though the new heritage 300 looks very similar, Omega even added the lollipop minute hand.

OTOH, if you truly love the NTTD for the watch that it is (as I do), buy it and never look back. As you say, it's very unique compared to other 300Ms. I feel Omega put a lot of effort into this one, as it was meant to be Craig's swan song Bond watch.

Exactly, if you love it buy it. Aside from Rolex, you are never really guaranteed a return but even so I suspect you won’t lose your shirt with one of these….

the_drunk_dial · Jun 20, 2022

Are you buying it because you like it? Resale shouldn’t really be a concern. There will be more “Bond” watches in the future, and if you’re trying to predict the future value, just look at some of the past examples.

Don’t sleep on it just because they say it’s not limited. Everything is limited.

padders · Jun 20, 2022

stevec14
Exactly, if you love it buy it. Aside from Rolex, you are never really guaranteed a return but even so I suspect you won’t lose your shirt with one of these….

Err Rolex isn't a guaranteed return, especially if you paid overs. Those that bought at the top of the market in the past couple of years are already finding that resale values are falling. Try Watchfinder for a buy in quote if you don't believe me. Prices on the steel sports stuff are softening and heading south fast, admittedly from a very high starting point and will likely never drop below retail though. The days of making a £5-£10K payday when flipping one are rapidly running out...

stevec14 · Jun 20, 2022

padders
Err Rolex isn't a guaranteed return, especially if you paid overs. Those that bought at the top of the market in the past couple of years are already finding that resale values are falling. Try Watchfinder for a buy in quote if you don't believe me. Prices on the steel sports stuff are softening and heading south fast, admittedly from a very high starting point and will likely never drop below retail though. The days of making a £5-£10K payday when flipping one are rapidly running out...

I was talking about buying at retail - as was the previous poster. Agreed not at grey prices (obviously), and I know what w/f are offering as have worked with them many times….

not sure where you are getting your heading south fast info from - I am not seeing much change in U.K. listings frankly, but that’s another convo.

padders · Jun 20, 2022

stevec14
I was talking about buying at retail - as was the previous poster. Agreed not at grey prices (obviously), and I know what w/f are offering as have worked with them many times….

not sure where you are getting your heading south fast info from - I am not seeing much change in U.K. listings frankly, but that’s another convo.

Check out asking prices and the volume being listed on TZ-UK for an indication of how the market is trending. If you know WF you will know their buy in prices are falling. That’s a more reliable indicator than listings, which lag the market anyway natutally. When you say worked with WF, do you mean you were a buying or selling customer or do you literally mean worked you worked with them? Rather different!

PATRICK JP · Jun 20, 2022

Airbus
So, like many others but late to the game I'm really warming up to this watch, so much that I'm considering buying one. If the resale value goes down, so OK. Lets just say that I have owned a couple of Breitlings... But what do you think the general view will be on this piece a few years from now? Long forgotten or something that still will hold some kind of value? Since it is so related to the film with all the marks and numbers - a gimick and a bit tacky?

On the other hand, it is still a Seamaster 300m but in titanium and with other changes, right? You could say that the Nektar is a little bit of the same?

I like the standard 300m, but I think it is too heavy on the bracelet. The NTTD wears really good on me mesh and with the Ti...

Would be great to hear your opinion.

I find it odd and sad that the market value retention or appreciation is a criteria for more and more people to decide buying a watch. I think it spoils the whole experience. When I like a watch enough, I usually take a little time to think then if convinced I just go for it purely thinking about the gratification and enjoyment. I am pretty selective in what I like and buy and often yes the watches I bought appreciated in value as they sell for a higher number on the used market than the number I paid for but whether this beats inflation or not, I dont know as I did not care to check… I did not buy any Rolex as I did not find these attractive and excessively visible hence not discreet enough. Now if Rolex was to release a titanium Yachtmaster or Submariner then I would be all in for one. I could not care less about their value as I always buy and keep all my stuff anyway. I enjoy classic and pre-war racing cars, vintage planes, watches, saxophones, antiques and other things enough to spend money on these as a hobby. The day these become investments then I fear the joy and the fun will vanish… I invest in other things.

Having said that, although the Seamaster NTTD kept up with the lineage’s DNA, and resulted from a series of subtle changes, it is a rather polarising piece which is either adored or utterly disliked. After it is discountinued if more people get to like it and are willing to buy then perhaps its value may increase but other than that it should depreciate a little from retail. The offer & demand drives such things and we must not forget that it may also be influenced by future new releases too… I liked the NTTD at first sight when I saw it on Omega newsletter and instantly decided I had to have one with both straps. That’s done and I am enjoying it which is the main thing for me.

Only buy what you genuinely like.

themattedial · Jun 20, 2022

Really great watch and I’ve enjoyed wearing both in the water and around town. I absolutely love it. it’s light, legible in water and very comfortable as a daily driver. I’m also eager to see how the dial ages after the recent discussions about that. A quick note about the mesh bracelet …

I find the clasp thickness makes the mesh bracelet unwearable for anything other than diving. Instead, I fitted a brushed @Uncle Seiko flat link to the watch and it’s exactly what I want - almost. Id love to see a brushed titanium version of that bracelet to be made.
- it would be absolutely perfect.

Also, isn’t seeing just four fingers with no thumb in frame a bit disorienting?!

PATRICK JP · Jun 20, 2022

For now I have kept the NATO on mine but I wonder how the Milanese bracelet will fare when I use my Mac laptop for instance and I would not like the fairly prominent/thick clasp to scratch against the anodised aluminium of my MacBookPro… This is the reason why generally I much prefer leather, alligator or rubber straps with a simple low profile pin buckle…

padders · Jun 20, 2022

PATRICK JP
For now I have kept the NATO on mine but I wonder how the Milanese bracelet will fare when I use my Mac laptop for instance and I would not like the fairly prominent/thick clasp to scratch against the anodised aluminium of my MacBookPro… This is the reason why generally I much prefer leather, alligator or rubber straps with a simple low profile pin buckle…

I use MacBooks daily for both work and leisure and have seem no evidence of any damage to either watch or Mac. I do find the concerns about the NTTD clasp thickness overblown. If you are able to use the 4th hole or higher on either bracelet it really isn’t that bad in my experience. You could argue any metal bracelet has the potential to cause and receive this kind of damage really. I like this style of mesh a lot and have a similar steel model from the designer of the NTTD one Staib. Now that is rather bulky, heavy too, though it does use a slimmer clasp design.

GadgetGuy88 · Jun 20, 2022

If it had been issued as a fixed number LE, then it would be easy to conclude that the value would eventually go up or at least you wouldn't lose money. I like the model, too, but not so much that I want to buy one for $9200 plus tax or even grey at $8K. If it was priced in the Grand Seiko $6K-ish range it would be better. With a recession and prices on everything liable to droop, this is not something I'd toss discretionary income into...but I do like it.

Airbus · Jun 21, 2022

Great input from all of you - thank you. I need to clarify my first post a bit - as I said I'm ok with the watch not holding its value. Thats not my issue. More is it a question of how this watch will be seen a couple of years from now when the energy from the movie is long gone. A gimick from the past? A very small part of the Omega history and lineup that few will remember - like the Dynamic of the 90s for example and long gone from the discussion forums?

The NTTD - some thinking... UPDATE

Airbus

the_drunk_dial

Mspeedster

PandaSPUR

Donn Chambers

Airbus

nola22

stevec14

Mspeedster

stevec14

the_drunk_dial

padders

stevec14

padders

PATRICK JP

themattedial

PATRICK JP

padders

GadgetGuy88

Airbus

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