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pongster
·Or they might come up with non decorated version for the entry level hesalite moonwatch.
The new 3861 movement...
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Super Fuzz
·The Speedmaster with the manual wind movement has been the one constant that hasn’t changed for 50 years. Yea, the 1861 isn’t the exact iteration of the movement that went to the moon, but it’s pretty damn close. Having an updated co-ax like the rest of the line makes perfect sense, but again, I’d be really surprised and disappointed if they got rid of the Valjoux-based movement that is really the only thing Omega has held onto over time. The relatively unchanged Moonwatch is how, in my opinion, Omega’s heritage can compete with the Rolexes of the world, whose flagship watches more or less remain the same.
And let’s not forget, plenty of WiS out there who still find the whole co-axial thing polarizing. While this is merely anecdotal, I’ve met plenty of folks, and read plenty of posts across various forums where the one Omega people want is the Speedy because it’s basically the same watch it has always been. I think that’s important to a lot of people, especially us millennials searching for authenticity and meaning 🙄
And let’s not forget, plenty of WiS out there who still find the whole co-axial thing polarizing. While this is merely anecdotal, I’ve met plenty of folks, and read plenty of posts across various forums where the one Omega people want is the Speedy because it’s basically the same watch it has always been. I think that’s important to a lot of people, especially us millennials searching for authenticity and meaning 🙄
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ConElPueblo
·The Speedmaster with the manual wind movement has been the one constant that hasn’t changed for 50 years. Yea, the 1861 isn’t the exact iteration of the movement that went to the moon, but it’s pretty damn close. Having an updated co-ax like the rest of the line makes perfect sense, but again, I’d be really surprised and disappointed if they got rid of the Valjoux-based movement that is really the only thing Omega has held onto over time.
Valjoux-based..? 😉
Remember that the 3861 is just an updated version of the 1861 (and it's still a manual...), just like the 861 was a updated 321.
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Super Fuzz
·Valjoux-based..? 😉
Remember that the 3861 is just an updated version of the 1861 (and it's still a manual...), just like the 861 was a updated 321.
Ha oops. Was thinking one thing while typing another. Lemania based of course...
I know what you mean. I just think as soon as it becomes co-axial it’s a different game. Manual wind notwithstanding. But then again this is just my opinion I’m expressing here, and I admittedly have Golden Age syndrome when it comes to most things....
Still, I’d be surprised if Omega actually retires the movement. Time will tell...
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akshayluc420
·Valjoux-based..? 😉
Remember that the 3861 is just an updated version of the 1861 (and it's still a manual...), just like the 861 was a updated 321.
I hope it remains as slim as the 861, the ever-thickening of watches isn't something I'm too thrilled about 🤔
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ConElPueblo
·But then again this is just my opinion I’m expressing here, and I admittedly have Golden Age syndrome when it comes to most things....
Around these parts it "grumpy old fart syndrome" 😁
And oh how I do relate..!
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horseShu
·Personally, I don't really care if the 861/1861 went to the moon...
However I do care that the 861/1861 has been flight-qualified by NASA. that means it was subjected to the same grueling tests that the 321 did and survived.
However I do care that the 861/1861 has been flight-qualified by NASA. that means it was subjected to the same grueling tests that the 321 did and survived.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI wonder if the new movement will cost more to have serviced.
Swatch currently charges the same price for all chronograph services, so that's a range from a 7750 based watch, to the current 1861, to the 9300. So the idea that they would charge more for this seems unlikely.
There's no reason to think it would be. From a complexity standpoint, it's a much simpler movement than nearly all other current Omega chronographs, and the only significant difference we know of is that it has a co-axial escapement added. I would expect the parts to be just as available as they are for any other current model. For example I just checked on parts for the Cal. 1869 used in the Apollo 8 model, and the only thing that doesn't appear to be available is the main plate (a part that is rarely replaced) and the remaining parts are all available for purchase by those who have access.
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AveConscientia
·The Speedmaster with the manual wind movement has been the one constant that hasn’t changed for 50 years. Yea, the 1861 isn’t the exact iteration of the movement that went to the moon, but it’s pretty damn close. Having an updated co-ax like the rest of the line makes perfect sense, but again, I’d be really surprised and disappointed if they got rid of the Valjoux-based movement that is really the only thing Omega has held onto over time. The relatively unchanged Moonwatch is how, in my opinion, Omega’s heritage can compete with the Rolexes of the world, whose flagship watches more or less remain the same.
And let’s not forget, plenty of WiS out there who still find the whole co-axial thing polarizing. While this is merely anecdotal, I’ve met plenty of folks, and read plenty of posts across various forums where the one Omega people want is the Speedy because it’s basically the same watch it has always been. I think that’s important to a lot of people, especially us millennials searching for authenticity and meaning 🙄
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connieseamaster
·the remaining parts are all available for purchase by those who have access.
This is the phrase that gives me pause.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerThis is the phrase that gives me pause.
Well, it's been the reality since the end of 2015, but my point is that I don't expect this movement to be treated any differently than any other current production. So if you are really concerned about parts access, then pretty much any modern Omega should be off your list...
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connieseamaster
·Most modern Omegas are.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerMost modern Omegas are.
Then add this one to the list if you don't want to send it to Omega for service, or use someone who has access to parts.
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connieseamaster
·Speedmasters aren't a subject of acquisitive interest for me.
I just worry about the serviceability of these watches down the line. Even the 861 has parts available from non-Omega sources since it existed long before the parts lockdown. I understand Swatch thinks this is the path to long term viability, but they also may put the final nail in the coffin of the independent watchmaker and competition in the repair marketplace.
I just worry about the serviceability of these watches down the line. Even the 861 has parts available from non-Omega sources since it existed long before the parts lockdown. I understand Swatch thinks this is the path to long term viability, but they also may put the final nail in the coffin of the independent watchmaker and competition in the repair marketplace.
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Speedmasters aren't a subject of acquisitive interest for me.
I just worry about the serviceability of these watches down the line. Even the 861 has parts available from non-Omega sources since it existed long before the parts lockdown. I understand Swatch thinks this is the path to long term viability, but they also may put the final nail in the coffin of the independent watchmaker and competition in the repair marketplace.
How many decent ones exist in the US without a parts account?
Does yours have a parts account?
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connieseamaster
·He used to, but dropped it a few years ago after Omega required him to spend $10k on a new cleaning machine in order to renew his account (the old one works fine). For a guy less than 15 years away from retirement, the ROI calculations just didn't make sense.
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cicindela
··Steve @ ΩFHe used to, but dropped it a few years ago after Omega required him to spend $10k on a new cleaning machine in order to renew his account (the old one works fine). For a guy less than 15 years away from retirement, the ROI calculations just didn't make sense.
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connieseamaster
·Why? He does an excellent job and stocked up on likely parts for regular customers before dropping the account. I never said I was dissatisfied with him, just Omega's choices.
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