The Mysterious Zenith S.58

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It's totally a franken. I saw this watch - not this ref, I mean this proper watch - sold in a flea market in Italy like 5 years ago, apparently he appeared some times ago in USA.
Avoid it, please!
 
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Hi Guys, need your help to see if this is any good for this piece?

Not a good piece mate.
 
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Thanks for the write up!
What was the production number of these?
Thx
 
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For me not really a mystery the zenith S.58 with flat caseback , bakelite bezel and cal .133.8 ( which was produced untill the end of 1958 ).

Was distributed by Cailleri to various armed forces , I find them eighter complete or in spare parts in Venezuela and Argentina .

Also take note that the octogonal caseback is almost same to panarai case backs used by the Décima Mas Navy Comandos .

For further arguments

The ARA navy comandos where set up and trained by former Décimas más comandos .

And if you find Zenith S.58 bakelite 133.8 Cal. Most of their casebacks lack watch makers inscriptions which might indicate they are serviced by the armed forces .

And the fact they are hard to find is simply the are kept within Navy Stocks .

All the other models where comercial versions wich ran untill the mid 1960a.

Just some observations but certainly not conclusions yet .
 
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I’m in love with this watch, what are your sources? Some photos?
 
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Was distributed by Cailleri to various armed forces

Can you please provide some evidence for this claim?
 
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Also take in consideration that at in 1959 radium strontium lume became a healt hazard an there is big cha xe many where destroyed .
 
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A related note: the last time that I asked someone for evidence to support the claim that A. Cairelli supplied these watches to the military, I received no response. That was over four years ago.

I'm open-minded, and patient, but the evidence, or lack thereof, that I have seen thus far, suggests that the claim is a myth.
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Can you please provide some evidence for this claim?


Hi Tony how are you ? I sent you a pm with my WhatsApp is easier
 
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For the record, folks, I have asked @Cnast to post any evidence that he may have on the forum, for the benefit of all readers.

So...tick, tock, tick, tock
 
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It just occurred to me that, official explanation of "S.58" notwithstanding, the similarity of the name to that of a sub-hunting helicopter might not have been lost on the executives trying to take some market share away from a certain Submariner. You heard the "inside joke tweaking Rolex" theory here first. 😀

In effect I think the S.58 became the Westland Wessex. A fine anti-submarine, Air Sea Rescue and Royal flight chopper. An early photo of the duke of Cambridge hitching. Ride... I am sure he would have flown one later in his career.
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For the record, folks, I have asked @Cnast to post any evidence that he may have on the forum, for the benefit of all readers.

So...tick, tock, tick, tock

Still ticking? 😗
 
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Still ticking? 😗

🙄

Well, to be fair, he did elaborate on his hypothesis through PMs. However, like the last time around with a different proponent of the Military story, I did not find there to be any compelling evidence. This was a part of my response:

So, to review:

- in spite of their being high interest among collectors in the S.58, and correspondingly high values, not a single documented military version, which of course would have even higher value, has appeared on the market

- not a single example has appeared online in a photograph

- not a single example of a testimonial from a member of the military has appeared online

- Zenith has never confirmed such a connection, and has likely denied it (to Hurley)

I cannot say with 100% certainty that there wasn't a batch of watches sent to South America ostensibly for military use. But given the above points, the onus is entirely on [anyone arguing otherwise] to provide evidence to support the claim.
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In effect I think the S.58 became the Westland Wessex. A fine anti-submarine, Air Sea Rescue and Royal flight chopper. An early photo of the duke of Cambridge hitching. Ride... I am sure he would have flown one later in his career.
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Nobody sees the slight S.58 bulge under the cuff?! The military provenance is as clear as day.
 
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Hi to All

can you please someone assist of the correct crown for S58 (dimensios etc.)?

Thank you