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So if I’m understanding you, you’re saying that states with the strictest gun control laws have the highest rates of gun violence? Are you sure?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5801608/
I'm not playing cherry-picked statistics. In every case, the gun violence problem is relegated to cities, and even within those cities, it's generally clustered around a few neighborhoods. The anti-gun crowd thusly makes sure that their studies are on a statewide basis. That was the point I was making about the criminality being clustered.

Nonetheless, I'm not engaging any further. If it makes you feel better, you can say you won an argument against a brain-dead right-wing troglodyte who ran away. I don't care.
 
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I'm not playing cherry-picked statistics. In every case, the gun violence problem is relegated to cities, and even within those cities, it's generally clustered around a few neighborhoods. The anti-gun crowd thusly makes sure that their studies are on a statewide basis. That was the point I was making about the criminality being clustered.

Nonetheless, I'm not engaging any further. If it makes you feel better, you can say you won an argument against a brain-dead right-wing troglodyte who ran away. I don't care.


So “cities” and “neighborhoods”. Hmmm … I hear a dog whistle. Any chance there are particular races or ethnicities at fault, in your opinion?
 
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I'm not playing cherry-picked statistics. In every case, the gun violence problem is relegated to cities, and even within those cities, it's generally clustered around a few neighborhoods. The anti-gun crowd thusly makes sure that their studies are on a statewide basis. That was the point I was making about the criminality being clustered.

Nonetheless, I'm not engaging any further. If it makes you feel better, you can say you won an argument against a brain-dead right-wing troglodyte who ran away. I don't care.
Frankly, that wasn’t my intention at all. I respect your opinion and I’m open minded toward reviewing whatever you wish to provide in support of your position. It seems counterintuitive to me that states with the strictest gun laws would have the highest rates of gun violence, but I could certainly be mistaken on that point. In any event, thanks for your input.
 
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So “To Protect And To Serve” means nothing? I know many members of law enforcement who would disagree with your assessment. They put their lives on the line for us every single day.

Sadly, neither our watches or our persons warrant protection as a legal duty of lawmen. At least not here in these United States.

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/

"The motto, "To Protect and Serve," first coined by the Los Angeles Police Department in the 1950s, has been widely copied by police departments everywhere. But what, exactly, is a police officer's legal obligation to protect people? Must they risk their lives in dangerous situations like the one in Uvalde?


The answer is no.


In the 1981 case Warren v. District of Columbia, the D.C. Court of Appeals held that police have a general "public duty," but that "no specific legal duty exists" unless there is a special relationship between an officer and an individual, such as a person in custody.


The U.S. Supreme Court has also ruled that police have no specific obligation to protect. In its 1989 decision in DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, the justices ruled that a social services department had no duty to protect a young boy from his abusive father. In 2005'sCastle Rock v. Gonzales, a woman sued the police for failing to protect her from her husband after he violated a restraining order and abducted and killed their three children. Justices said the police had no such duty.


Most recently, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit upheld a lower court ruling that police could not be held liable for failing to protect students in the 2018 shooting that claimed 17 lives at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida."




Some of these posts have really jumped the shark. The problem with threads like these is that you lose respect for certain members and can never really think of them the same way again. I recall this happening at the beginning of COVID also, when some members were downplaying it and calling it a conspiracy. Maybe it would be best to end this.

Dan, you're one of my favorite members here. I feel a lot of sentimental affection for quite a few members here, moderators too. It's not required that respect be lost here over Forum debate.
 
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ChiefMark and noelekal, thanks for the links. Much appreciated.
 
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I feel a lot of sentimental affection for quite a few members here, moderators too. It's not required that respect be lost here over Forum debate.
Well said, Bryan, discussion and debate among friends are how society makes progress.
 
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Dan, you're one of my favorite members here. I feel a lot of sentimental affection for quite a few members here, moderators too. It's not required that respect be lost here over Forum debate.

No worries, I really wasn’t thinking of your comments and I’m not bothered by debate. I do feel that there is a danger though. Some people live in such echo chambers these days that they forget their surroundings.
 
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That is one of the most psychotic websites I’ve ever seen in my life, like I hit the latest button and its just crackhead stuff
Yeah, interesting to see where some people get their news.
 
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Yeah, interesting to see where some people get their news.
I don't actually. Was searching on the topic and came across the thread. Most of his statements were sourced so I went with it.

Edit: went back and hit "latest." Damn. Wish I wasn't so hot under the collar, because I would have checked and never sourced from that site. Wackadoo.

Perhaps The Economist meats with your exceedingly erudite standards? Or do you get your information strictly from The Jacobin?

https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...rica-compares-to-the-world-when-split-by-race
 
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Army vet here who was an Expert marksman and Training NCO who ran rifle ranges for people to qualify annually. I am not afriad of or unfamiliar with guns.

No civilian should have an AR15 or similar weapon.

No one under 25 should own a weapon.

The US constitution allows firearms for a well armed militia, which was at the time when the US did not have a standing army. It's not for self-protection or mob rule.

Households with guns are twice as likely to suffer a gun related shooting and 6 times as likely to have a gun related suicide as non-gun owning households.

States with strong gun rules are being over taken by people allowed to cross state lines to purchase a weapon in a state with lax laws, as in the recent Chicago shooting. A national law is needed.

Gun ownership in America is not about freedom and liberty; it's about making money.

This is the worst thread on OF.
 
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In some locales that can work both ways though.

Sadly, this won't play well here on the Omega Forum, but when our collective "sheeple" attitude doesn't protect us then we may be assured of having all of the crime that we are willing to put up with. What is needed is some "starch in our collective drawers." I'm with Larry S.

Old photo, but the essential equipment remains the same or similar. Discrete, concealed carry is legal here in Texas. There is very little of that sort of nonsense here except in certain "armpit" areas within the state, areas that most thoughtful people avoid.

Interesting..... So, protecting your Omega Constellation : how far do you go ? Kill the robber because you can ? What will he do ? You have his Gun at your head. Now you make your move, get your gun out of the holster, safety off, point at him . And everybody else in that crowded place is at risk now . You think the Robber waits until you are ready to shoot him ? and you hope the gun at your head does no longer matter? Because you are the Good Guy with a Gun now , the Bad Guy with a Gun risks beeing shot by you ? Is that what will happen or is it a very unlikely scenario, if robbing others is your profession? Or do you hope, beeing in Texas , the other 98 out of the 100 patrons on the Terrace will draw their Guns now ? Shoot everybody and everything to shreds? Is that the American Way ? Like having " Active Shooter Drill " at your primary schools ? Teaching your kids to avoid Death from Lunatics who easily can buy Guns at Gun Shows in the USA? Buy more Guns to feel safer then ? Don't educate against Guns? " Still rambling on about a 250 year old law that was created to form a " well regulated Militia " ? Did I forget something ? We have many Guns here in Australia. Looks like we are better educated.
 
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Army vet here who was an Expert marksman and Training NCO who ran rifle ranges for people to qualify annually. I am not afriad of or unfamiliar with guns.

No civilian should have an AR15 or similar weapon.

No one under 25 should own a weapon.

The US constitution allows firearms for a well armed militia, which was at the time when the US did not have a standing army. It's not for self-protection or mob rule.

Households with guns are twice as likely to suffer a gun related shooting and 6 times as likely to have a gun related suicide as non-gun owning households.

States with strong gun rules are being over taken by people allowed to cross state lines to purchase a weapon in a state with lax laws, as in the recent Chicago shooting. A national law is needed.

Gun ownership in America is not about freedom and liberty; it's about making money.

this is the worst thread on OF.

Honest convictions spoken deep from the heart,
my thanks.
 
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Army vet here who was an Expert marksman and Training NCO who ran rifle ranges for people to qualify annually. I am not afriad of or unfamiliar with guns.

No civilian should have an AR15 or similar weapon.

No one under 25 should own a weapon.

The US constitution allows firearms for a well armed militia, which was at the time when the US did not have a standing army. It's not for self-protection or mob rule.

Households with guns are twice as likely to suffer a gun related shooting and 6 times as likely to have a gun related suicide as non-gun owning households.

States with strong gun rules are being over taken by people allowed to cross state lines to purchase a weapon in a state with lax laws, as in the recent Chicago shooting. A national law is needed.

Gun ownership in America is not about freedom and liberty; it's about making money.

This is the worst thread on OF.

Agreed on all fronts. This is the worst thing I've seen since I joined, wish I could burn my eyes out.
 
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When can we get back to watches?
Wear an Audemars Piquet or Vacheron or some uncommon brand in rough crowds and wear Rolex when on "Dancin' with the Stars".
 
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Yes, back to watches. Maybe we should also post some videos of puppies? Couldn’t hurt. 😀