The Dennison cased Omega thread....

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What is the difference in caseback for centre or sub second? The Omega 260 and 280 series movements are the same thickness AFAIK, or is it just in the wording?

Hi Padders, the centre seconds case backs are deeper and rounder than the sub secs which look quite a bit flatter. I have a Longines 12.68z in a 13322 and the case back is noticeably deeper than my SmithS sub secs 13.15's in the 13322 case.
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Hi Padders, the centre seconds case backs are deeper and rounder than the sub secs which look quite a bit flatter. I have a Longines 12.68z in a 13322 and the case back is noticeably deeper than my SmithS sub secs 13.15's in the 13322 case.
That might be movement manufacturer specific I guess, not all movements are the same depth so maybe it is more for that reason they differ rather than for the sub vs central second hand variants of the same movement. You do see Omega models where the caseband looks the same, but the back thickness differs for auto and manual wind movements due to the depth difference of course.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were further 13322 variants out there, they have used the case so widely and it was in production for over 20 years after all. They presumably used spacer rings to cater for movements of different ligne.
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That might be movement manufacturer specific I guess, not all movements are the same depth so maybe it is more for that reason they differs rather than for the sub vs central second hand variants of the same movement. You do see Omega models where the caseband looks the same, but the back thickness differs for auto and manual wind movements due to the depth difference of course.

That could well be the the case Padders. My understanding of them is somewhat SmithS orientated and the 2 known centre seconds 13.15 movements have the deeper back whereas all the sub seconds 13.15 have the shallower back. I will keep my eye out for examples.
 
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thought that I had posted to this thread already......my grandfather's watch, held by my father for a couple of decades until I absconded with it on the way to college more than 40 years ago


 
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That might be movement manufacturer specific I guess, not all movements are the same depth so maybe it is more for that reason they differ rather than for the sub vs central second hand variants of the same movement. You do see Omega models where the caseband looks the same, but the back thickness differs for auto and manual wind movements due to the depth difference of course.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were further 13322 variants out there, they have used the case so widely and it was in production for over 20 years after all. They presumably used spacer rings to cater for movements of different ligne.

Hi Padders,
I had a quick butchers on eBay for differing Omega mvts in the 13322 case and found a 30T2SC with a higher, more domed case back, and a 30T2 with a lower, flatter case back, so I think it is for the raised centre seconds bridge that the case back is different.

Yes, the spacer ring varies hugely, the Omega mvt's are maximum size, for the Longines 12.68 it is very wide to take up the space for the smaller diameter movement and the SmithS 13.15 mvt spacer is 13''' at the dial plate and 12''' for the movement (to adapt to SmithS early, quirky manufacture, the movement quickly became full 12''' as they moved in to full commercial production), so quite bespoke. Exactly how and when these spacers were manufactured and fitted into the case I don't know, but they do appear to be a different, softer metal.

The Dennison archive is lost I fear, but it would be a great resource to discover for many watch brands.
 
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I am sharing also my Omega Dennison 1953 9ct. I would also appreciate it if someone can tell me how can I get a new dial part since the old one as you can all see from the pictures is in bad condition.
 
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Hey everyone!

Posting in this old thread for the sake of not creating a new topic in the hope some other Dennison-interested folks will see it!

I've gotten into a bit of a super niche with the Dennison 13322 Omegas and am hoping for some expert opinions: I particularly like a version of the 13322 with blued hands and a railroad printed track. They're very simple watches but super elegant in their simplicity. I believe they are all from the early years of the 13322 with the "OG" 30 cal 30t2 movement and I've seen them with in steel and 9ct cases.

If anyone has more info on this dial configuration I'd love to hear about it! One question in particular: I feel like the printing especially of the 5 and 7 seems sloppy in a lot of them. I've attached some photos for reference of close ups I've "collected" on the Internet over the years... I hope thats ok. What strikes me is that most of them seem to bleed into the sub second track... my understanding is the case, dial and hands were all made by Dennison? Were they "sloppy" or was a dial refresh in service common?

The other possibility is of course more recent dial "optimization" but as you can see from the pictures the rest of the dials aren't exactly pristine and the frequency with which I have seen these "bleeds" seems to me to indicate something else... one instance is an outlier, anything above three is a pattern...?

 
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Here I am.
Dennison 13322 with Omega 266 from 1956.

Hey Osterman,
Thanks for the reply! What I meant was: as far as I can tell the 13322s with blued hands are all from the era when the 30t2 and not its successors were being made. Yours is very nice too though!
 
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Hey everyone!

Posting in this old thread for the sake of not creating a new topic in the hope some other Dennison-interested folks will see it!

I've gotten into a bit of a super niche with the Dennison 13322 Omegas and am hoping for some expert opinions: I particularly like a version of the 13322 with blued hands and a railroad printed track. They're very simple watches but super elegant in their simplicity. I believe they are all from the early years of the 13322 with the "OG" 30 cal 30t2 movement and I've seen them with in steel and 9ct cases.

If anyone has more info on this dial configuration I'd love to hear about it! One question in particular: I feel like the printing especially of the 5 and 7 seems sloppy in a lot of them. I've attached some photos for reference of close ups I've "collected" on the Internet over the years... I hope thats ok. What strikes me is that most of them seem to bleed into the sub second track... my understanding is the case, dial and hands were all made by Dennison? Were they "sloppy" or was a dial refresh in service common?

The other possibility is of course more recent dial "optimization" but as you can see from the pictures the rest of the dials aren't exactly pristine and the frequency with which I have seen these "bleeds" seems to me to indicate something else... one instance is an outlier, anything above three is a pattern...?

The bleeding is quite normal on these watches.
 
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Hi guys apologies for crashing this but looked like the best place for it. I'm intrested in this but I'm a) finding it hard to source reliable info on these watches and b) this has been refurbished.
My question is - how much of this is original? I can't find any pics of Dennison cases with this font on the numerals, so this makes me suspicious, but there are so many variants I'm throughly unsure. Opinions welcome

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/17601004...y56VQOmRv2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
 
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Have just (early) inherited my Father's watch - I believe it to be a Dennison Constellation 18K Deluxe (hidden crown?) model 168.5004:


How do I go about dating the watch ? Many thanks !
 
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@brooksn

From the hallmark date letter (July 1965 to June 1966) and from the serial number which is suggestive of 1966 manufacture.
 
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Have just (early) inherited my Father's watch - I believe it to be a Dennison Constellation 18K Deluxe (hidden crown?) model 168.5004:


How do I go about dating the watch ? Many thanks !

what a great gift from your father @brooksn
Whilst you have an 18k cased watch, the term ‘deluxe’ is usually reserved for a solid gold watch with a solid gold dial.

However, peculiarly, for some reason, AJTT describes the 168.004 as a deluxe watch even though the one shown is only gold cap, it also calls it ‘Constellation II, even though there must have been a dozen Constellations before it.
OVDB calls it ‘Constellation Calendar’.

In common parlance, most would simply call this a ‘hidden crown’ Constellation.

For clarity, the 5 in 168.5004 denotes an English made case in the style of a 168.004.

If you haven’t seen it there is a great essay on Dennison cases which includes your case style.

https://download1078.mediafire.com/...sm0adrdqjswgdp1/Dennison+Essay+March+2015.pdf
 
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However, peculiarly, for some reason, AJTT describes the 168.004 as a deluxe watch even though the one shown is only gold cap, it also calls it ‘Constellation II, even though there must have been a dozen Constellations before it.
OVDB calls it ‘Constellation Calendar’.

They really should have had help from the Omega Forum editing. 😁
 
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Managed to catch an angle that shows the true colour in the hands, absolutely no clue if original but I think they're pretty kewl 😝😁