Another similarity perhaps?!
The pictured Heuer Carrera has case ref 11001. Lemania 12001.
The shapes are very similar?

 

Another ref I found during anther coffee run

http://chronocentric.com/forums/chronotrader/index.cgi?md=read;id=50041

 

There seems to be a little confusion here. Digging on Chuck Maddox's site and the FIFA catalogue says ST11000-2 case back says 11003

http://www.chronomaddox.com/omega/watches/other/fifa/mine/

 

All examples I have ever seen have got a 11003 reference.
ST11000-2 seems to be wrong?

 

I believe that Hamilton cal11 is not related?

 

You're right of course, I got a bit overexcited, but it's an avenue I'll check later as there are 5012/5100 cased Hamiltons.
I completely missed the crown. Aka the crown fairy struck me again.

 

Omegas archives have it listed as ST11000-2. This may well be what Omega refer to the reference as not whats on the actual case back.
https://www.omegawatches.com/planet-omega/heritage/vintage-details/20432/

Another interesting find from the FIFA catalogue is the timer has ref 10060 I think
http://cdn.chrono24.com/images/uhren/images_74/s2/3554274k_xxl.jpg
http://www.chrono24.com/omega/fifa-choronograph--id3554274.htm

 

Make that 10030

 

Sorry, late on this one as I have been away.
Several things for me to say (I run the ATG Lemania forum and have collated all of the BBC stuff over there). Northernman sent me a link to suggest I comment here.

Firstly, I think this is almost certainly as it was intended.
Secondly, I have never seen one before, and in over 12 years of Lemania-based collectiong and observing, I no longer say that very often.
Maybe the BBC did ask for some cheapies, it seems a reasonable theory. The numeration fits for the style and movement, even if the brand doesn't fit Lemannia's offering in terms of movement. To be honest, most of the BBC's timepeices bought from Lemania (and Nero Lemania) were very high quality, but I have noticed that they went lower rent as they reached the end of the numeration that we have observed (large 12-hr chrome-cased stopwatches give way to black-cased ones that are 30 minute). This is towards that end of the numerals.
Personally, I do not find this arrangement of sub-dials in the slightest bit attractive, but again the Heuer combination overstock is a compelling theory, as this ugly duckling of a movement never grew into the swan, so the stock may well have hung around unloved.

Lemania do have form for using other people's movements. Think of both the Lemania Benthos offerings. The minute-chrono version was actually an AS movement (which makes NO SENSE AT ALL, as Lemania was offering almost all minute chrono movements). And the quartz time-only Lemania Benthos was again an outsourced one.

A great find and some fine detective work here.
Dave

 

Hey @sweets good to see you over here. :-D

 

@sweets Have you any seen or heard of other references with 1100X or 1200X?

 

Thanks Dave.
I have been collecting both watches and tried, for some time, to piece together a reference table on 70s, 80s and 90s Lemania. 12001 is a first for me as well.
I decided to go "all in" on this one, and fortunately not too much competition ensured that it landed well below my level of pain.
It was just too uncommon in all aspects to be a fake.

 

There are some "relations" that can be established in Lemania later chronograph ref. numbers.

96xx: Cal 134x
97xx: Cal 387x
98xx: Cal 134x
110xx: Cal 5100/5012

11000

(not mine).

11001


(also not mine).

11002


11003


11004

(not mine).

11010

(from @marturx)

11019


11022


(not mine).

Then there is the World timer and SAAF versions and a few more I have yet to categorize......

 

@Northernman W<3 W Thats a list of awesome right there!!! Just made my weekend and it's 7.30..ty ty ty

@sweets Just as you pop I spot this
L197 B.B.C 3076
http://watchesofknightsbridge.com/view-auction-catalogues.html

 

So, a couple more references for you. This one



Inside reference 9659 (although fascinatingly there are vestiges of a stamped Omega case reference system on the inside too. 1873 movemenet serial 3.1 million

And this one



Inside case reference 11004 (as above). Movement serial 4.0 million (5100 medallion numeral, not on the bridge).

Dave

 

ahh my eyes.... now that's 2 great examples of MINT! Congrats @sweets

"although fascinatingly there are vestiges of a stamped Omega case reference system on the inside too."
Do you mean they are double stamped? One Omega and one Lemania? Us simple folk ...

Pat

 

What I mean is that there is, very clear, ACIER INOXYDABLE and 9659.
However, if you angle the caseback and look into the spaces (with a good loupe), you can see the remains of the omega triangle (top), the clock shape (base) and reference numerals. Very faint, they have been effectively ground off, but they are just visible.

this kind of detail, but VERY faint.

 

11015 is a special excuton of 11001
This one is double marked. Possible reason would be added bezel.



(not mine, lot 164 WOK)

 

I believe the 5100 world timer will have the same ref.
Big difference between Omega and Lemania in that Lemania used ref numbers for cases only.
You may find variations in caliber version and dial execution within the same reference.

 

Another BBC Lemania 7765 has surfaced!


https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/...0029/lot-0192f212-9a7b-4a0f-aa56-a8f900c0ffc0


A GENTLEMAN'S CHROME PLATED LEMANIA CHRONOGRAPH WRIST WATCH.
CIRCA 1980s, REF. 12001. ISSUED TO AN EMPLOYEE OF THE BBC (BRITISH BROADCASTING CORPORATION)
Movement: 17J, manual wind, quick-set date, Valjoux cal. 7765, numbered.Case: Width approx. 38mm, steel screw back, issue markings BBC 5631.