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This is an 861, but the same issues with the hole in the main plate where the hour recorder wheel locates is common on 321's also - you can see there is a burr there and the hole is slightly oval:
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When a reset is too hard I usually slight polish the angle if the stop lever which is in contact with the pin of the hammer. Then with a proper lubrification everything get smooth.
If the movement holder holes are ovalized there is only 2 options : repair by bushing or replacing by a new one (the 861's holder are compatible).
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To me this is one of the surest signs that the movement in question needs a service. You see, what generally causes it is not an incorrect adjustment of the hour recorder brake but rather a lack of lubrication in the clutch mechanism situated on top of the barrel. Too little lubrication = too much friction. Even with the hour wheel brake fully on (think parking brake or e brake in your car) the power from the mainspring is enough to turn it.
Usually the creep is solved simply by servicing the watch - no adjustment of the stop lever is required. If the driving pinion and friction spring are providing too much drive to the hour recorder wheel, no amount of adjusting the stop lever will prevent the creep. Lubrication is the most common reason for this, but also people not paying enough attention to the friction spring that connects the pinion to the barrel is also a fairly common thing in my experience, and this causes too much friction no matter how it's lubricated. The spring often gets worn where it rides on the drive pinion, and when it's replaced you need to check that the friction is not too great or too little:
Amazing info guys! Just one question: can the clutch mechanism be lubricated without a full overhaul? I only ask because this is happening to my recently assembled 105.012-65, whose movement reportedly had a service within the past couple of years, so I’d rather not have to give it a full overhaul now unless completely necessary...
Well, how confident of there actually being a recent service are you? Many times sellers say this but the watch hasn't been serviced in a verry long time - the only way I typically trust this claim is there is evidence provided. Also, if it has this problem after a recent service, I'm not sure how good that service was.
The hour recorder parts can be accessed through the dial side, but at a minimum the hands and dial must be removed, and the bride for the hour recorder also. If the barrel is the issue, then it becomes difficult to fix this without taking the rest of the movement apart. I doubt many watchmakers who would agree to try to fix this without doing a full service...
Fair. Out of curiosty, if the movement was sitting uncased for a couple of years after the service, could that have accelerated the lubricant degradation? Either way, what would you say the urgency is? If I wanted to enjoy it for a couple of months before doing the full overhaul, would I be risking much? Thanks,